Thursday, August 24, 2017

Ultraguy’s top 20(ish) Death Battle ideas

Hey guys it’s been awhile since my last blog, so I figured I may as well do something easy to fill the gap. Here’s a list of 20-ish fights that I hope Death Battle does at some point. Keep in mind there’s no guarantee any of these will ever happen. Likewise I tried not to overlap on ideas involving characters from the same franchises. Finally most of the list is organized by what thematic connections characters have, and then why I think the match is appealing.


Samus vs Master chief
Connections: Both characters come from game series that had popular first person shooters in the 6th generation of consoles. Both characters are well known for being one man armies that were genetically and physically altered for combat, as well as being trained from a young age. Both have power suits and both have worked with Ai partners at some point in their timelines. Their franchises also both have plots that involved fighting bio weapons or galaxy threatening parasites (the  Metroids and the flood respectively).

Appeal: I really think Samus would benefit from coming back to Death Battle. Granted she may have technically been featured in a “remaster” but given she was the first ever contestant on Death Battle, It’s pretty easy to notice a lot of her info is a bit outdated or less in depth than some of the later characters. Given she has a new game coming out in 2017 and another major release in 2018, I also feel like she’s fairly relevant again. Given Master chiefs own popularity and the fact the match could pay tribute to haloid, I really find the entire idea enticing.

Peacock vs bonny hood
Connections: Both are small children in casts of intimidating characters, yet manage to be some of the most feared badasses in them. They both have animal companions, and both use tons of weapons or character assists. One is also a magic using fairy tale inspired character, while the other is a toonforce using  cartoon based character, giving them both opposing whimsical abilities.

Appeal: I’m going to be honest here, I think that Death Battle has borderline overused Street fighter, Mortal Kombat and Killer instinct to an extent. I really think the show should cut down on them and try to use other fighting game characters a bit more. I like this fight a lot because having a character from the never featured skull girls and another character like Darkstalkers seems like it would be a huge breath of fresh air. The cartoony and ridicules nature of their attacks could also make for some fun animation.

Jin Kazama vs Ryu(street fighter)
Connections: Both are the main protagonists of two major fighting game series. Both series already share a rivalry and have had official crossovers in the past. Both characters are also accomplished martial artist who mostly fight unarmed. Finally they both have to deal super powered evil sides buried within themselves that threaten to bring the world to ruin if unchecked.

Appeal: Ok I know I said I’d rather not have any other Street fighter characters, but I could make an exception for this match (and maybe a fight involving Juri somewhere down the line).  Death Battle REALLY needs to finally have a Tekken character and given Jin Kazama is one of the more important main characters of the series and his similarities with Ryu, it would make sense for them to fight each other. Likewise from what I know Ryu stands a fair chance at winning this fight, which is something I would enjoy given I’m honestly getting tired of the street fighters losing streak.


Yu Narukami vs Jotaro Kujo
Connections: The persona series was directly inspired by Jojo series, and the characters in both franchises use supernatural apparitions of their mental or spiritual energy to fight. Both Yu and Jotaro were involved in investigating a series of murders by a serial killer, who used said supernatural powers to carry out his actions. Coincidentally both of these story archs took place in part 4 of each respective series. Yu and Jotaro also had their stands/personas enhance in power into a more ultimate state called “the world” during the climax of one of their adventures. Additionally both of them have fought entities that can stop time (Dio and the time God Cronus) and are lady killers.

Appeal: Persona isn’t as mainstream as Mario or Zelda, but it’s not niche to the point where I would say that anyone relativity knowledgeable about videogames wouldn’t have heard of it. It’s definitely sold more, has a larger presence in terms of marketing, and has a much larger currently active fandom than several of the other series already showcased in Death Battle at this point. Considering all that, the recent numbered release, the previously mentioned upcoming spins offs, as well as the fact I’m sure the Jojo anime will have a new season in 2018, I think having a persona vs jojo match would make a lot of sense.

Anyway in regards to the fight itself. There’s are tons of interesting avenues for debate. How do we choose what persona or abilities Yu can use during the fight? Can Jotaro use time stop to get an easy win? These character vary widely in what stats they specialize in, how do they deal with each other? Can persona users see stands? Not to mention the mechanical diffrences between stands and persona, as well as the strategies both characters are known for coming up with. It has the potential to be a really engrossing argument.

Ex: I know some people say they rather have Yu fight Josuke the actual protag of part 4 of Jojo, but I’ve come to like Jotaro more since it’s probably more even and interesting of a debate. It’s also say this match idea is way more popular from what I can see (being honest), and tbf has around the same amount of connections regarding it as Josuke would. Though admittedly I would be fine with either as a fight.

Likewise I know some people want the persona 3 protag Minato to fight Jotaro instead, but frankly I would argue Neku from TWEWY is a much more thematic opponent for him.

Sailor moon vs Cardcapture Sakura
Connections: Both are among the most popular magical girls in the anime scene. Both are from the 90s and have a fandom rivalry. Both are the descendants of famous powerful magic-users, Queen Serenity and Clow Reed. Both have a wide variety of magic powers, both fought against the embodiment of void: Chaos and the Nothing, both have a small furry taking magical four-legged creature as their pet. They also represent opposing archetypes

Appeal: It can’t be understated how influential and recognizable a character like Sailor moon is worldwide. She’s basically the OG magic girl and single handedly propelled the entire genre. Likewise while card captor Sakura isn’t as popular in the states, she’s recognized as one of the other larger Magic girl characters and her series has quite a bit of a rivalry with Sailor moon. It makes sense to put them against each other, and the frankly fact nobody from Sailor moon has appeared on DB yet baffles me and needs to change.

Pit vs Sora
Connection: Both characters are plucky young teens who are heavily connected to concepts like the power of heart and the power of light. Both fight monsters that are created by harnessing the power of a person’s soul and both are also well known for over the top anime-ish weapons.

Appeal: Kid Icarus was one of the cult classic games of the Nintendo library and after Pit’s redesign in smash bros brawl he finally got the chance to star in a squeal game kid Icarus uprising. Likewise Kingdom hearts is one of Square’s most prominent and long lasting franchises outside of Final fantasy and the series is FINALLY going to have its 3rd instalment come out on consoles soon. In terms of powers both are pretty over the top having summons, mech suits and various over the top magic spells and supportive abilities to make a fight between the two chaotic(in a fun way). It would make for a great 3D fight in my opinion.

Dovahkiin vs Chosen /undead
Connections: Both characters started off their adventures in shackles, awaiting death, but were given a second lease on life and informed of their destinies. They both used their superhuman powers to fight off armies of monsters, absorb the souls of their defeated enemies, and destroy the mad gods who would see their worlds destroyed. They are both superheroes of the modern fantasy action-RPG.

Appeal: Skyrim and Darksouls are two of the most popular RPGs of the last generation and if Bethesda’s current attitude is anything to go by, Skyrim is probably going to keep seeing re-releases from now till the end of time. Both have some customizable elements, but I’ve seen some blogs made on the match in the past that has ideas on how to deal with that. In fact I find the idea of discussion how to tackle them pretty fun. Additionally how the combat systems of these games interact seems like an interesting avenue for debate.

Kirito vs Kite
Connections: Both sword art online and Dot hack have the similar premises of having their main protags get trapped inside a MMO game. Both characters are also characterized by dual wielding swords and regularly manipulate or ignore the rules of their respective games.

Appeal: Sword art is a fairly well know, albeit infamous anime, and dot hack likewise has some recognition due to being around so long. Sword art also had a major movie release in 2017 with a 3rd season of its anime supposedly being made this year or the next. Dot hack likewise is getting a new game soon. Both series have also already crossed over in some capacity and the nature of a digital MMO style fight is something Death Battle hasn’t really dabbled in. The two franchises also already have a bit of a rivalry.

Inkling girl vs Beat
Connections: Both series have a similar art style, as well as similar music and 90s pop aesthetics.  Both Beat and Inkling girl use a form of paint or graffiti to tag their environments, which they can also use as a weapon to cause damage to nearby opponents. They also both use unusual forms of transportations, being their squid form and inline skates respectively.

Appeal: I like this match because of how off the wall and unexpected it is, while at the same time also making perfect sense. I also think actually trying to quantify how the hell you can use paint to destroy mechs and monsters is an interesting proposition. Outside of that while Jet set radio mostly just has cult status, Splatoon is easily one of the most popular new franchises that Nintendo has made in the last 10 years and had a major release in 2017. It also is slated to have an anime series soon, so that’s also a good reason to have the match involving them.

Dio vs Alucard
Connections: Two vampires who stand tall amongst their competition as two of the most widely recognized and severely badass vamps in all of anime and manga. They are both pure monsters in combat and the blood they’ve spilled is (probably) unquantifiable. One is a hero who fights for humanity; who sees the beauty of mortality and hates his own monstrous corruption. The other is a villain’s villain, who forsook his own humanity to become something greater; an evolved being who used his power to crush anyone in his path to discovering the secrets of reaching heaven, and become a god.

Appeal: Dio is one of the most well-known Jojo character and has gained memic status in various ways. Alucard has also had a fairly well known abridged series made by the famous team 4 star. Additionally while both characters are vampires, their move sets are very different from each other. For example Dio’s timestop particularly being a big factor in the fight, as well as all the shit Alucard has going on with schrodinger.

Ruby vs Maka
Connections: Both are scythe wielding teenage girls, who go to a school centered on training them in the art of combat. They’re also both pitted against supernatural monsters on the norm and have important verse mechanics centered on the use of the soul as a weapon.

Appeal: A lot of people seem to want this match and tbh I’d prefer it over most other Rwby fights that have been suggested thus far. Given Soul eater has ended and rwby is probably reasonably into its run, I don’t think it would be a terrible idea to have it at sooner rather than later. The rwby franchise also is going to have a major appearance in the game Blazblue cross tag battle in 2018, and rwby is getting a new season soon, so I find Ruby herself to be pretty relevant.

Avatar Aang vs Edward Elric
Connections: Both are teens who have the ability to manipulate and shape the elements around them as a means of fighting. Both have made poor choices in their past that directly set them on their journeys in the first place (abandoning the air benders and performing human transmutation). Their ability to bend the elements is also special or unique within the context of their worlds.

Appeal: Full metal alchemist is one of the more acclaimed shohen anime not yet brought into the Death Battle roster. Likewise Avatar is a very critically acclaimed tv show and it’s been a while since they’ve had a rep. Alchemy and Bending are also very interesting fighting styles, and the prospect of the applicants using the environment around them to make weapons, barriers, or hax could lead to very promising fight animations.

Thanos vs Darksied
Connections: Don’t need to be stated

Appeal: The appeal is super obvious.

Dexter Vs Jimmy neutron
Connections: Both Dexter and Jimmy neutron are self-proclaimed “boy geniuses” well known for creating off the wall gadgets and going on sci-fi centered comedy style adventures with a cast of school mates or family. They come from rivaling networks, cartoon network and nickelodeon respectively. Both series also have alternate animation styles (2d vs 3d) and have a fairly well known rivalry.

Appeal: There really hasn’t been many fights involving western cartoon characters created in the 90s and 2000s+, so this would def fill that niche. Both cartoons were also hugely popular with Dexter’s lab being one of the cornerstones of early cartoon network and Jimmy neutron being one of the few successful nick original movies before his tv series. Additionally both characters have a ridicules amount of hax and weapons to potentially put into a fight including weaponized time travel, creating stuff from nothing, transmutation, giant mechs, super speed, hulk like transformations and so on.

Risky boots vs Tronne Bonne
Connections: Both characters are pirates who serve as direct rivals and frenemies to their respective series protagonists. Both command large crews of identical mooks (servbots and tinkerbats) and both rely heavily on mechanical contraptions and mechs to do their fighting.

Appeal: The Shantae series isn’t exactly mainstream, but it’s been around for a few decades now and has at least enough recognition among indies to have gotten around the same amount of votes for smash bros inclusion as shovel knight. The series also recently had the half Genie hero game come out on multiple consoles, and Risky herself had her own story mode finished not long ago. I would also say that Tronne bonne is around one of the more popular Megaman characters, having appeared in multiple marvel vs Capcom ocrossover games at this point. Finally as far as the fight goes pitting these characters against each other has the potential to be fairly interesting if you get their pirate crews involved, as “army” fights aren’t something you see a lot of in Death Battle.

Ex: I also toyed with the Idea of having Captain Syrup be an opponent for Risky. Most of the connections are the same as for Tronne Bonne, though Syrup also has the added connection of having sought to harness the power of a genie for her own ends in the first Wario land game. I feel like she’s more lacking in sprites and abilities though.

Saitama vs Squirrel girl
Connections: Both Saitama and Squirrel girl are essentially gag characters whose comicbooks and manga readily parody and make fun of tropes from their respective Medias. They both have dubious reasons for being as strong as they are and can defeat virtually anyone under the right circumstance, to the point where in both of their series they are supposed to be considered “unbeatable”. Neither are typically taken seriously at all in their own universes and are to an extent unknown within them. Both characters also have completely ludicrous origins.

Appeal: I know a lot of people want to see Saitama fight Goku or superman …but to be honest I think both of those ideas are pretty terrible and should probably never happen. Disregarding the fact that Saitama doesn’t even really have much in common with either of them AT ALL, Saitama’s actual feats are not nearly impressive enough to legitimately stand a chance against either of them in a way that’s even remotely fair. The fact of it is most “serious” arguments for Saitama in a vs setting rely on blatantly pushing no limit fallacies backed up by his in universe OP statues, which isn’t something that should be taken at face value in a more contempory debate. Likewise given we’ll likely never see his full power, and given he is technically a saitire-ish character capping him actually kind of feels frustrating from my point as view anyway.

Instead I much rather have him in a fight that subverts expectations. A joke fight against a character like Squirrel girl sort of fits that bill. You can literally just turn the fight into a gag and make the analysis a (fun) black hole of fallacies from which no logic can escape. Take Saitama’s infinite strength into extremes, take the power ratings or off-screen victories of squirrel girl to their logical conclusion scaling wise. The sky’s the limit and hey maybe you don’t even have to have a traditional ending since Squirrel girl does have some 4th wall awareness (Have her beat the shit out of Wiz and Boom off screen and then have her and Saitama end the match getting ice cream lampshading the toxic nature of vs fandoms obsessed with strength).

Also….I really think it would do well to do something to stand out with a Siatmama match. Like a very large majority of people who put him in animations on youtube tend to just have him rolstomp his opponents, or have him fight in the same bored manner he always does. It’s predictable. Subverting that and having him actually have to take a fight seriously against an opponent similar to him would be way cooler.

EX: ..oh and also popeye is another character that applies to most of the above points here, though I’m going to be honest and say I’m slightly more partial to Squirrel girl. I think the connections are better and she’s supposed to be the lead in a new tv series next year, so she’s slightly more relevant.

Megaman EXE and Lan Vs Takato and Guilimon
Connection: Both sets of characters come from franchises that were popular in the 90s to early 2000s and deal primarily with alternate digital dimensions. Both sets of characters are likewise Kid/digital being duo’s, who can lend each other strength literally via power of friendship or by installing “battle cards” of some sort into their ally. The characters can also directly fuse together to create a new superpoweful forms.

Appeal: Tbh this match is kind of a personal desire of mine I’m not sure will actually ever come to fruition. That being said I would consider battle network among the most popular and well represented megaman sub franchises and digimon tamers is of course pretty popular itself. Likewise I find this to be one of the only fights that’s probably relatively fair that involves EXE and a fully evolved Digimon, given both are way stronger than what you would anticipate.

Shadow vs Ryuko
Connection: Both are red and black motif characters who were created as experiments using DNA from a species that would later try to take over the earth. Said characters were raised in secrete by father figures to turn against these alien species, finally taking on and defeating their leaders by transforming into a super saiyen inspired super form.

Appeal: I would really like Shadow to be in a fight he has a fair chance to win. Additionally I would probably say kill la kill is one of my favorite and more popular animes in the last few years, and is fairly popular overall. The connections seem decent enough to me, so you know wynut?

Lloyde vs Vsye
Connections: Both are idealistic characters who duel wield swords and are stars of popular early 2000s Japanese rpgs.

Appeal: I think the tales of series is prolific enough that it probably deserves a rep, and Lloyde makes the most sense given he’s the protagonist of what was arguably the most popular game worldwide. Skies of arcadia also has some reasonable cult status. Granted I’m not sure how well these two characters stand against each other, but I find looking at rpgs characters fun, so I’d love to find out(though granted Lloyd probably wins).

Link vs Simon Belmont
Connection: Both are young warriors who are reincarnated or come from an ancestral line of heroes, who continually fight a re-appearing dark lord that seems to be nearly immortal. Both tend to use various holy weapons to that end and also have a wide assortment of weapons and tools for exploration and combat.

Appeal: I’ll be honest in hindsight I don’t actually like Link vs Cloud as a concept. I get they have rivalry or whatever, but they have virtually nothing in common with each other. Link and Simon both have a bit more going for their matchup, and also have a slight rivalry with their series on top of that. Additionally I would probably say both series are popular enough that having them get a return and first combatant is about due, and Link in particular would be interesting to analyze since he’s gotten more games out in the last few years.

Marth vs Aragon
Connection: Both are “hero kings” who exists in somewhat similar fantasy adventure media.

Appeal: Ok tbh I really just wanted to have fire emblem character on this list somewhere, particularly Marth, Ike or Robin. I asked around but I’ve had issues finding many decent ideas and this is the only one that seemed plausible. The details of who Aragon is…… I don’t fully know. I’m aware that he’s a renown “hero king” like Marth is and given he comes from Lord of the Rings I’ll guess he works and leads in a similar setting to those found in fire emblem. But regardless fire emblem has become so huge in the last few years with multiple games, spin offs and more sequels on the rise next year that I think them getting a rep makes sense. Lord of the rings isn’t my cup of tea, but I assume it’s popular enough that people would enjoy seeing a rep from it as well.

Axe cop vs Bobobo
Connection: Both are completely wacky and insane characters known for 4th wall breaking, silly antics and magnetic personalities. Both also come from west and east mediums respectively.

Appeal: Tbh I didn’t really want to have two joke fights on my list, but I think this only crosses into only semi joke territory since I’ve seen quite a few people play it straight or even make blogs for the match. Anyway what can I say while both characters have shown that are reasonably popular, my biggest draw to the match is just how fun and convoluted it is. These are characters that can do infinite push-ups, break the 4th wall, create alternate realities, reality warp, time travel, possess people, resurrect and tons of other random shit. A match including all of that would be one hell of an entertaining clusterf@#k.

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Welp those are all my top match ideas. Did you guys see any ideas in particular you liked? What are your own ideas? Let me know in the comments!

-Oh also a disclaimer. I claim no credit for the title cards used in this blog(most are made or originate from various places on DA and DB fanon.

Thursday, July 27, 2017

Ultraguy’s hopes and despairs for IDW Sonic Part 2: In defense of the freedom fighters and Archie exclusive characters



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I wasn’t originally going to make a part 2, but I’ve been following discussion on the IDW Sonic comic and I’ve actually been noticing …..Opinions are a lot more split on some things than I anticipated. Particularly reboot or not, I’m kind of noticing that that there’s a lot more discussion regarding the merits of the freedom fighting characters and members of the Archie or old cartoon casts. A lot of people seem to want them removed or for them not to not appear in the new book for various reasons.
…………Well to be honest being a long time reader of the comic and naturally having become a fan of said characters, I kind of feel as If some of the arguments I’ve been seeing are pretty dubious and in some cases overly extreme. Considering that I felt like I needed to expand my original blog and address the freedom fighter situation directly, which hopefully you guys find to be fairly well thought out.

Anyway I’m going to put on my phoenix write coat and try and bring up some counter arguments for why I think removing the FF and Archie characters(at least fully) is a bad or fairly ill thought out idea.

1.      The freedom fighters are to obscure and irrelevant and have needed to be cut for years now
1993 vs 2017

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh? I get that Satam has been canceled for over 20 years now and that’s where the FF originated from, but I wouldn’t exactly call the characters from it obscure or irrelevant. 24 years is a REALLY long time to run a comic, and these characters where major players in it for the entirety of the run. By all accounts Sally Acorn has gotten more media and screen time collectively than almost the entire game cast at this point and predates all of them besides Sonic, Tails and Eggman. I would also point out that truthfully speaking a lot of the game cast hasn’t been what I would call “relevant” in recent times either(if we’re just talking about just game cannon). Sega’s pretty much dialed things back to just Sonic, Amy, Knuckles, Tails and maybe Shadow, with everyone else barely even showing up outside playable status in sports/racing games. Heck the last major game to actually have the side characters have larger speaking roles and story arcs was probably Sonic 06 or one of the Sonic rivals games nearly 10 years ago.

At best this is probably more of an argument that could be reasonably levied at a worldwide audience, given I’m sure the comics didn’t get consistent translations in Japan and I know for a fact they were not readily available in Europe for a long period of their run. But to be honest I’m not really sure how much that argument stands when you consider IDWs comic will probably be in a similar boat anyway.

I also feel that there’s a big elephant in the room that very few people are acknowledging. These characters most certainly aren’t obscure or irrelevant to the people who actually bought and read the Archie comics all these years. That user base was enough to support at some times 4 comics at once, and would have continued to support the comic quite handily if it had not been canceled. It stands to reason that most of those people are probably going read the IDW comic when it comes out and realistically that install base is going to notice if half the characters get gutted from the comic permanently. Heck fans of Archie already reacted badly to the first reboot as well and there was a dip in sales because surprisingly people don’t like having characters or plots ripped out from under them like that. Granted you could make an argument that fans who were turned off by Archie will give the new comic a try, creating a new fanbase. However I still feel like most of the people who actually wanted Sonic comics were probably already buying the previous series, and that expecting there to suddenly be a new untapped market for a franchise as hit or miss as Sonic is a risky endeavor.

Finally I have to point out that this isn’t like Shadow or Amy or whatever not showing up in the latest Sonic game. Fans of these characters KNOW that if they don’t show up again in this new comic, then they might never show up in anything ever again. That’s a big reason why there inclusion is such a big point of contention for people.

2.      The freedom fighters and original cast are a spotlight stealing squad
Not really seeing their promotion here

If I’m being honest I actually don’t get the complaints about the freedom fighters or any other Archie exclusive characters being spotlight stealers. Like MAYBE this could have applied over a decade ago before Ian’s era when the book was oversaturated with echidna characters and melodrama, but Sega had made it a point to give the game characters top priority in the last 10 years. Case and point it was almost IMPOSSIBLE for a non-game character to headline an issue of Sonic Universe.


Like if you look at that list you can pretty clearly see the stars of each arch were almost always Sonic, Knuckles, Silver, Blaze, Shadow or Eggman. We only got two arcs focused on Satam or Archie characters over 10 years, which were Scourge and Nicole respectively. Though even then Scourge is basically just another version of Sonic, several Sega characters where involved in Nicole’s arc, and both arcs mostly happened due to both characters becoming highly requested ensemble dark horses to begin with.

This was also pretty true for the main comic as well, particularly after the reboot. Like most of the Satam and Archie original cast didn’t even show up during the first crossover with Megaman.  None of them even fought in the Sonic the fighter’s adaption that happened. Eggman was pretty firmly established as having to be the main villain in the comic and many other villains had some connection to him. It was also pretty clear Sonic was front and center traveling around the world, except with slightly more characters accompanying him than in the games. It’s not like the series was full of Chris Thorndike’s that were constantly dragging focus away from Sonic for nefarious reasons, or being pushed for inclusion in situations where it didn’t make much sense.

3.      Sega should just focus on what’s cannon and current
This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately and I disagree. In fact I STRONGLY disagree as thought processes like this are the exact reason why so many reboots/relaunches these days fail or are terrible. I understand the modern games always come first, but Sonic has never been a franchise based only around games. Satam is a big part of its history and got tons of promotion back in the day. Adventures is part of its history. So is fleetway, the ova, underground, Sonic X, Boom and yes Archie. Heck on that note all the obscure games and characters from earlier in Sonic’s franchise are also a part of his history. Many people grew up and experienced these media and have fondness for parts of them. Likewise many of them have ideas, characters or concepts that are worth preserving or retooling.
 A failure to acknowledge and respect ones older fans and history, as well as not actively preserving parts of your history people enjoyed in the past is a perfect what to fuck up a reboot or stagnate a series. Case and point look at the Powerpuff girls, Ben 10 and Teen titans go. A lot of these series fail to understand what aspects made the series before them popular in the first place and also didn’t respect what older fans wanted, and suffered critically because of it. Anime’s like Pokemon also stagnate and are constantly called out due to often not wanting to acknowledge their past or not growing much based on past history.

In contrast it’s normally the reboots that learn and incorporate old material, along with new that succeed. Two examples that come to mind are probably Bataman TAS and the old Ducktales cartoon. Both were inspired by a medium built mainly around comics, but were popular cartoons adaptions that had their own original characters like Harley Quin and Launchpad. Despite these characters not originating from the series original media, those characters eventually got worked into the Batman comics and the new Ducktales cartoon because writers realized they had a fanbase and could add something to the show. Heck the Ducktales reboot seems to be drawing inspiration from tons of old Disney stuff plenty of people now aren’t even old enough to know about, and from the looks of it the show will be even better because of it.
………I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t think that a comic series that uses exclusively modern Sonic content can be said to be objectively better than a series that uses a mix of old and new stuff from multiple Sonic cannons (though tbf Sega has legal embargoes In regards to how far they can go with some of that regardless). Likewise I don’t think belittling fans of Sonic whatever media in claiming they don’t matter is exactly fair, and that this is particularly hypocritical if such fans request for lesser known game characters that are just as “niche” as Satam characters to begin with. A character isn’t less deserving of any sort of inclusion  on any level just because of where or when they originated from, especially if they can be done well. Heck for comparison it’s basically like saying K.Rool and Issac can’t be added to a new smash bros game since they’re too old for younger fans to remember, aren’t relevant anymore or from series that are only have cult statues. Those are “technically” valid arguments against them, but most hardcore fans aren’t exactly going to get on board with that given the legacy behind them(Similar arguments with new Megaman/F-Zero games, non MCU characters in M V C also come to mind).

4.      It would be better for IDW to start fresh and give their own take on what a Sonic comic book would be like
Ok to start I should probably say that this is actually a fair opinion to have. I actually don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to see the Sonic comics tackled from a different angle and Archie had a pretty long run, so it’s not like having a comic built on a different foundation would be a bad thing.

That being said I need to point out that this is not an argument that’s objectively superior to wanting IDW to continue the old continuity, keep old characters or whatever else people may want to argue for. IDW is not obligated to cater to the old Archie fans, BUT ALSO is not obligated to cater to fans who dislike Archie/Satam elements and want them removed either. People who are giving each side a hard time, really REALLY need to get over themselves.

That being said I do think the idea of “starting fresh” is being exaggerated as some sort of objectively good thing IDW HAS to do. When I think of a series NEEDING a hard reboot or rebranding, I generally think of that decision being made based on some sort of necessity. For example a work has a downward spiral in quality, the story being too complex and back lore heavy, low sales or a property being dormant for YEARS and needing to be heavily modernized for a new audience.
Talking about post gen specifically (which is what most of us had been reading for the last few years) I don’t really believe any of those apply. Outside some complaints about the shattered world arch taking WAY to long, reception for the comic had been some of the best I had seen in years. Sonic universe and the megadrive comics in particular had seen A LOT of praise. I don’t think the lore complexity was an issue given the reboot basically reset most of the universe back to zero anyway and the continuity was mostly based on the games at that point. Likewise the series hadn’t exactly been dormant that long (Seriously people a year hiatus isn’t that long) and the sales were fine.
If the comic was considered good, sold well, was at a place where it was reasonable to new people to jump on without too much issue and had been fairly active, why is it objectively good to do away with all of that to do something fresh? This is even truer since more story elements had been planned out already and several comics had already been completed, meaning it didn’t really end on a finished note.
Like I see the arguments people are making for letting IDW have the chance to be original, but sometimes I think they’re acting like this is similar to the jump from the amazing Spiderman movies to the Spiderman homecoming reboot. In reality it’s a lot more like going from Spectacular Spiderman to Ultimate Spiderman(even with a similar situation of being screwed by lawyers). Yeah people  did eventually warm up to Ultimate Spiderman, but it still sucked for Spectacular Spiderman to get canceled for BS reasons cause it was such a good show, and I still wouldn’t argue it was an objectively good thing for Disney to start from a fresh slate for the state of being original.

5.      It would be better to get rid of the baggage regarding the Satam cast and the background of that world.
I dunno. I can understand this, but don’t think all the traits of Satam were bad even if they were in some ways different than modern sonic. My issue here is that the main sonic games don’t really have that much lore or world building to start from, likewise they don’t really explain some background elements. By using some parts of satam post gen Archie was able to

-To give an explanation to Eggman’s rise to power and some of his tech

-Create a couple more kingdoms and world groups, which could clash and engage in politics with the game ones

-Establish several “freedom fighter” groups’ worldwide, as well as regional badguys, allowing for some world building.

Like it’s not much, but I don’t see why getting rid of it would improve anything. You’re likely need to refill those aspects somehow anyway if the tone of the comic stays even somewhat similar.

6.      If Sega wanted the FF and Archie cast they wouldn’t have left Archie. They also probably want to make the comic more in line with the games.
Art by Shieltar(uh heads up some of his other art is…interesting, but this pic was to good to pass up).

This is not the case. While it’s true Ian Flynn had to do some convincing to keep the freedom fighters and viable Archie characters after the first reboot, Sega didn’t leave Archie due to some dislike of the comics content before or after said reboot. Most of the blame really has to do with the lawsuits Ken Penders and Scot Fulop started, which put pressure on the relationship between the two companies. Likewise Archie’s mismanagement and screwed priorities in regards to Riverdale and other properties they’ve been making, as well as the fact they’ve allegedly want to get away from action/adventure series.

Also we really don’t know what Sega wants to do with the book yet. It was mentioned the comics were going to be taken in a different direction, but it’s not actually clear yet if that was referring to story or publishers. Given the staff for the book hasn’t even been chosen yet though, I doubt they’ve gotten as far as most people seem to be assuming. It’s all just speculation really.

7.      The Sonic cast is already large enough to carry comic
It’s not as much as you would think

Ok I covered this a bit in my first blog, but this isn’t entirely true. While technically Sonic has expanded its roster greatly over the years, the people in it just don’t fill out the roles needed to keep a comic running long term. For example let’s go over the “canon” villains and supporting cast, and actually talk a bit about how viable they are.
Villains
Eggman: Defacto main series antagonist. He’s viable by default for reasons that are fairly obvious.
Metal Sonic: Major villain. He normally works under Eggman, but on occasion can strike out on his own. Viable.

Mephilis the dark: One time villain from Sonic 06. His backstory is pretty complex and built around the creature Solaris from Silver’s bad furture. Current mandates stated he was not allowed to be used in the comics outside of cameos, most likely due to ret-gone nature of Sonic 06. Not viable.

Eggman Nega: Future descendent of Eggman from Silver’s future. He shows up as a villain in the Sonic Rush and Rivals games. Currently there are comic mandates stating he could not be used in the comics, likely due to the continuity snarl in regards to his origin and the sonic timeline. Not viable

Black doom: The main antagonist of the game Shadow the hedgehog. Rules a species of alien beings called the black arms which were the origination of the DNA used to make Shadow. Due to the game and the villain being so tightly linked to Shadow’s character development, Black Doom is also not allowed to be used due to mandates. Though that being said the dark arm’s themselves can show up in stories.

Witcart: Antagonist of the game tails Skypatrol. The game was never released in America, but Sega owns her making her viable. She has very little characterization outside of what was given to her in Archie though.

Great Kukku; Antagonist of the game Tails Adventure. Controls an army of waring bird like warriors. Only appeared once, but is viable.

Void: The negative side of the goddess Lumina from the alt dimension maginary world. Only appeared once in Sonic Shuffle, but is for all known proposes viable if you find a wat to write around him fusing back into Lumina at the end of said game.

Erazor djin: An evil genie that tried to take over the Arabian nights book world in sonic and the secrete rings. Should be viable, but mostly exists within the context of an alt dimension.

Merlina: A sorceress that manipulated Sonic to do her bidding in the game sonic and the black knight. Hails from an alternate dimension called Camelot found within a magic book. Should be viable.

Deadly 6: The villains of Sonic lost world. Outside of not really being all that fleshed out, nothing about them would suggest they are not viable for repeated use in an ongoing comic.

Ok in the entire series we have about 11 major villains that have enough charisma to carry a story on their own potentially, but unfortunately upon further inspection you kind of run into some issues. Under most circumstances Metal sonic works under Eggman, and doesn’t typically display much of a personality on his own. 3 of these characters were expressly forbidden from actually appearing in Archie, which would probably carry over to IDW. Another 4 also reside in completely separate dimensions or time periods, which makes them difficult to use without some major set up beforehand. Most of the rest are frankly one time villains who haven’t appeared in years, making them just as “negligible” as Archies cast anyway.

 It’s really only Eggman and the deadly 6 that are expressly standalone villains that actually exist in the same world as Sonic and are actually relevant to Sega at this point in time.  Which kind of isn’t a lot to work with. Creating new villains like Eclipse, Black Death, Captain metal, Phage, Eggmans dozen, or adapting old Satam/Archie centric characters like Ixis nuagus, Breezi, and Snively are an inevitability to fill that void. 
Heroes
Here’s the thing I don’t think most people understand about the Sonic cast. A lot of them aren’t really designed to stay around Sonic consistently as part of a supporting cast. Many of them have roles in their universe they need to fill out, and Sega has to continually stretch the suspension of disbelief, downplay character traits or rely on huge threats to get them together in most games now.
Knuckles: He’s not really a character that supposed to follow Sonic around constantly while being buddy buddy. He’s a guardian of a very powerful relic and is typically reluctant to leave it. This was actually the crux of his dynamic with Sonic to an extent as he originally was jealous of Sonic’s ability to roam around freely while he had a more solitary life.

Shadow, Rouge and Omega: Works for a government agency known as GUN. They would only get involved with Sonic if their objectives overlap.

Silver: Is from the future of Sonic’s world. He basically needs to travel back in time to get involved in a plot. This typically means he’d only ever be near Sonic when the future world is in immediate jeopardy.

Blaze the cat: Resides in an alternate dimension altogether. She also guards the sol emeralds and jeweled scepter and would probably only normally get involved in the plot if either of those two come into danger.

The chaotix (Vector,Charmy and Espio): Run a detective agency. Will only normally interact with Sonic if he happens to be involved with a job they’re currently on.

The Babylon rouges: Kind of in a weird spot. They aren’t exactly friends to Sonic truth be told. 

They’re more akin to anti-heroes.
Now this isn’t to say most of these characters don’t have tons of cool plot potential or that they wouldn’t travel with Sonic on occasion, but they really aren’t meant to be consistent characters Sonic would hang out with.

It’s frankly really only Tail’s who’s supposed to be a consistent travel companion to Sonic in the games. Outside that maybe you can maybe make an argument for Amy and Cream, given Amy actively seeks out Sonic and Cream tends to stay with Amy on occasion. This is something a lot of Sonic media seem to realize In fact, which is probably why those characters stay with Sonic in X and why all of them were on the freedom fighters team in Archie.

But I digress my point is the freedom fighters serve as a supporting cast that actively have a reason to be around Sonic in most situations, without the need to write circles in the plot to get them together. The group also serves a functional purpose. Because they are a peace keeping group, this gives Sonic a bigger reason to actively seek out conflicts and get involved in issues with other character groups or governments rather than often having to wait indeterminate lengths of time for a conflict to come to him or escalate first.

8.      Some misc. thoughts
 
After seeing some websites comment on the sonic comic and seeing how some detractors are reacting, I kind of have a suspicion that many people leaving complaints haven’t actually read the comic in a while. For example people keep saying they want the comics to more closely follow the games, they want more focus on the sega characters, they dislike the art, and the story was too convoluted or whatever. But the thing is that Ian had been actively working to fix many of those issues ever since he came in on 160 and most of those problems had been done away with after the reboot anyway. If you haven’t read this comic in a decade, it’s a lot different from what you’ll remember.
I also can’t help but feel like some of the borderline disdain for the freedom fighters is a bit ………..hypocritical? It’s ok not to be a fan of a character but I wouldn’t really demand that they have to or should be removed from a media altogether because of that. I say this particularly because the Sonic series is filled with tons of game characters that have huge hatedomes, including Silver, Amy, Charmy, Big the cat, Cream and even Shadow to varying extents. Arguing that any of them shouldn’t be in a game again or that Sega should avoid using them in the new comic or media just seems kind of obnoxious and belittling to the people who do enjoy them IMO. This is particularly true if the characters can be included in a way that’s non-intrusive to what you enjoy or want to see from the Sonic franchise.

 Like really this is the spectrum of thoughts I think most people would probably have

The freedom fighters need to be removed permanently, and have no place in Sonic media-------I’m ok with the FF, but they should have a reduced role in the plot--------indifference---------I would prefer if they stayed, and in a similar role------------if the FF get removed the comic is automatically bad.

I think all the options but the first and last are at least somewhat reasonable. People going to the extreme of either end are honestly either being selfish and nearsighted. If including the FF and Archie cast in anyway is enough to cause so much debate, than I think arguing that they can’t be in the comic at all isn’t being fair to the people who like them. It’s also hypocritical given the way many fans and outsiders hate some game characters. In contrast I REALIZE I’m probably a bit biased, and I fully acknowledge the comic isn’t necessarily going to fail if these characters don’t stick around. Even if you love the FF you should at least be willing to give the new comic a chance.

Anyway overall are the only arguments for removing them I think actively make sense and are more or less objective are

1. Wanting IDW to have the chance to make their own original take of Sonic, not bound to any of the ideas of Archie. Mainly because you think a fresh take would be a good thing for the series that can potentially create some new original ideas.

2. A desire to distance the new comic from any similarities with Archie at all due to the legal drama.

3. Potential legal embargos regarding the contracts of the original Archie comic being based on the Satam/Aosth show getting in the way of whether they can be used again.

3. No that’s pretty much it.

Everything else is a much more subjective. Some arguments don’t even make sense imo.
SAYING YOU WANT A VERSE MORE AKIN TO THE GAMES OR NOT WANTING CHARACTERS IN THE COMICS THAT AREN’T A PART OF THOSE GAMES AND PROBABLY WONT BE ADDED TO THE GAMES IS A PARADOXAL ARGUMENT. I assure you no matter how the comic starts or how “close” to the games it is, you are going to get OC characters that will never be used in cannon at some point. This has happened in every adaption of Sonic ever, with things like cosmo/the meterex in X, Sonia/Manic in underground, evil Super Sonic in fleetway, the intern in Boom, and so on. It’s not something you can escape. If some of the inevitable OC characters can include the FF and Archie cast, I say you may as well go for it. I also find using the megadrive comic as an example against this kinda unfair given it was only a sort mini series.

Conclusions?
The big question few people are asking. Why can’t you just have multiple Sonic books with different cannons or focus points?
Wait this is an option?

Ok so this is an obvious solution to the problem that kind of dawned on me the other day. People are aware that Archie made multiple Sonic books right? Likewise they also know that they aren’t always in the same continuity either right?

Like seriously we’ve had a Sonic X comic, Sonic boom, main Sonic, Sonic Universe, the mega drive comics. Head writer Ian Flynn also had to make a separate Megaman comic on the side at some points. Not all of these were made at the same time to be fair, but at most we’ve had nearly 4-5 ongoing series at once.

In addition to that take a look at IDWs license properties.

Transformers has 8 series with this company: http://www.idwpublishing.com/trending_titles/transformers/

Disney has 11 series being published with them: http://www.idwpublishing.com/trending_titles/disney/



TMNT: 10 series http://www.idwpublishing.com/trending_titles/tmnt/ 

Like granted I’m DEFINITELY aware not all these books were published at the same time and some were short runners, but Jesus from what I can see it’s very common for most of IDWs licensed franchises to have at least 3-4 ongoing books at the same time if they’re reasonably popular, along with tons of mini-series on the side. Not all of them for a single franchise are in the same time period or continuity either, so there’s def wiggle room in terms of the content you can provide.
People do realize what that means right?

You could literally have multiple comics that are made to be tailored to multiple tastes. You could get a comic that’s more baseline with the video game characters and has Sonic mostly doing things on his own. You could have a comic that has Sonic working with the freedom fighters as part of a team and with more original stories. You could also still keep something akin to sonic universe for side characters, while also getting occasional mini-series like mega drive.  Heck you could continue the old continuity and create a new one AT THE SAME TIME!

No one said Sega was going to dial back the AMOUNT Sonic comic content we would get, so there’s no reason to act like all the hopes and dreams of the universe are going to be pinned on a single comic. This is especially true since it seems like IDW hasn’t even put together a staff yet. Everything is clearly in the early planning stages.

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Anyway there’s my say on the whole Freedom fighter and archie cast thing. Overall whether they stick to a similar role as the last comic, or get retooled or get less screen time, I wholeheartedly believe at the very least they have the right to continue existing in some form and the arguments levied against that are pretty exaggerated.

Additionally I’m actually going to expand on the idea of having multiple IDW Sonic books in one final part of the Ultraguy’s hopes and despairs for IDW Sonic series. Particularly talking about what kind of books I think IDA could make to appeal to multiple people, as well as ideas from various Sonic canons I would like to see introduced in some way.

Sunday, July 23, 2017

Ultraguy’s hopes and despairs for Sonic IDW comics

So yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

A lot of us saw this coming but the constant legal troubles of Archie and their general bumbling with the Sonic license finally ended with Sega pulling the plug with them earlier this week. Luckily however Sega seemed to understand fans enjoyed and have a demand for Sonic comics so they quickly partnered up with another company named IDW to continue the media.

…..that being said it’s not yet clear how the change in management is going to affect the comic as a whole. Will we pick up where we left off? Is another reboot going to happen? What’s going to happen to all the old staff? The official press release was honestly pretty vague, with it sounding like IDW Sonic is going to be a direct continuation of the series but also mentioning Sega of America wanting to take Sonic comics in a different direction.

It Kind of makes what we’ll get a toss-up, and since everyone is speculating on what’s going to happen, I figured I may as well make my own wish list for want I’m hoping and despairing for.

Ultraguy’s despairs
1.      Another continuity reboot.
I don’t think anyone in the Sonic fandom would like this if I’m being honest. Being blunt it was hard enough when Ken’s lawsuits resulted in almost 20 years of the comic book and 100s of characters being permanently removed from the continuity. Many people had a hard time accepting it and a lot of fans still wish for the return of fan favorites like Scourge, Shard and Dr. Finitivus or for a resolution to all the suddenly dropped plotlines.

Fast forward 5 years and Ian Flynn had JUST finally started picking up the pieces of what could be salvaged from the old continuity, and incorporated it into a tightly rebuilt universe utilizing elements of not only Satam, but almost every Sega game, Aosth and some allusions to Sonic X. Things had been looking up and fans were finally starting to get attached to the new universe and move on.

Then this bombshell hits.

Trust me when I say that nobody wants to start from ground fucking zero again by wiping out the established story, just to spend another half decade building that shit up again from scatch. For a comparison it’s almost like the Spiderman movies. Say what you will about how awesome Homecoming was, but did anyone enjoy having almost 3 REBOOTS of a series in a decade!?? It’s tedious and exhausting to see the same thing start over and over again without progressing, as well as alienating when things you were a fan of get dropped suddenly for a new iteration.

I can say outright that’s exactly how most fans of the comic will feel if this is another reboot. Exhausted and feeling tedium at having to wait another several years for the comic to get into its groove again, as well as alienated due to seeing plotlines and elements from the last reboot getting potentially dropped again. Avoiding this should be a huge priority for both Sega and IDW.

..I also feel like I should mention that Sega did get their shit together and every plotline, character and story made after the post genesis era belongs to them, so they do not in fact have a legal reason to discard it like all the ken stuff. There’s no point in doing so cept to distance themselves from Archie due to all the drama, which really isn’t fair to the fans of the characters of plots themselves.

2.      Getting rid of the Satam characters
I have a couple of reasons why removing the Satam characters is a TERRIBLE idea, despite what video game character purists will tell you.

Firstly realistically speaking despite constant jokes about Sonic having a large cast of characters, he does not in fact have enough characters filling out enough niche universe roles to carry an entire action/adventure based comic book on his own. You would most likely HAVE to create tons of original characters anyway if you want to have any kind of substantial plot, and using characters that already have semi formed backstories that the comic’s fans have been invested in for decades makes way more sense than throwing them all under the bus for a new cast. Likewise on the note of fan investment. The comics have always been a sorta unofficial tie in/continuation to Satam from the get go and getting rid of those elements is only going to alienate the fans who have actively supported the book for that exact reason.

Secondly I would also say that having the Satam characters as part of the main cast (or as villains) is actually beneficial to the comics ability to tell a story as a whole. For those of you who don’t know Sega has TONS of mandates for how the Sonic game characters can be used, and have gotten stricter and stricter with these mandates after all the Ken Penders stuff.

For example the main Sonic cast
·        Can’t have love interests or go steady
·        Can have no blood family members not already introduced in canon
·        Sonic and game characters can’t show excessive emotion
·        Sonic more or less is not allowed to lose, or at least not allowed to be put in a losing position for long periods of time
·        They can’t have backstories elaborated on that are not in cannon
·        Nobody can have any character development unless approved
·        No Sega game character can die

Now don’t get me wrong it’s not impossible to write a good story with these mandates in place. Heck considering some of the shit that has gone down in the comic’s past, it’s probably a good thing to have those mandates. That being said it does make it harder to make characters more complex, to make more personal stakes in conflicts or to have any lasting character development. However there’s a loop hole many people are not aware of. The Satam characters are almost all exempt from these rules, which makes it way easier to give them personal connections or to build up the foundations of stories around them, which can then be more easily used to draw out the characterization of the Sega Sonic cast.

For example you can write an entire arch about Nicole’s creation and the tension she has with her “father” . Want some drama? Rotors has family working for Eggman. Need to raise the stakes? Sally or Antoine can go missing in action for a bit or get seriously injured. Need some love? Bunny and Antoine can actually have a relationship and get married if they want to.
It may not seem like much but it adds a lot to the dynamic of the group and allows the comic to have a sort of depth that just wouldn’t be possible if the less mandated characters were not there.

3.      Watering down the Sega cast to just Sonic, Amy, Knuckles, Tails and Eggman (and maybe shadow if they feel like it)
Ok so this is an even worse scenario of the above, where not only are the Satam characters taken out, but so are most of the Sega cast. Given the lack of characters this would probably result in a stripped down episodic format with little story progression.

…….So why this is a bad thing

I talk to a lot of the people who read Archie comics, and surprisingly a large majority of them tell me they do not in fact read the comics for Sonic himself. Frankly ever since the “Sonic cast is to large please nerf” meme that started back during Sonic Unleashed, Sonic has  almost been the only character to get any significant screen time in the main games, to the point where people have started to become bored of the lack of varity. Sure the other characters may show up from time to time, but they mostly just play the part of being cheerleaders in the background.

If you want to see Shadow have his own standalone story, you’re not going to see it in the games. If you want to see Silver do something substantial, it won’t be in the games. If you want to see Knuckles, Amy,Blaze, Rouge, Omega, or the chaotix actually do something besides cheer Sonic on you are not going to get it there. Heck going even further some lesser known Sega characters like Nack, Mighty, Ray, Honey the cat, ect are probably NEVER going to be acknowledged in canon EVER again.

You know where you can see these characters actually do shit and have standalone stories.
IN MOTHERFUCKING ARCHIE

In Archie you can see shadow lead GUN to fight a goddam alien invasion and fight an evil alien monster called Eclipse. You can see Silver travel to a bad future and try to fight off a dictatorship ruled by a demigod. The Chaotix can have a detective mystery plot spanning several issues. Knuckles and Amy can have their own side plot where they hunt down pieces of a shattered master emeralds. Many of these smaller time characters can actually be recurring antagonists or supporting characters in the main series archs.

You see archie was important because it gives an outlet to actually see stories or focus around characters that Sega really just doesn’t want to touch that much anymore. You take that away and again you’ll be alienating a lot of the fans who have been reading these comics specifically to see their favorite character in action.

4.  Just making straight up adaptions of the games
Ok so this is a complaint I hear from time to time. “The Archie comics stories were weird. Why not just have straight up adaptions of the main Sonic games as they come out or of the old ones starting from the beginning?”

Ok well tbh outside the fact most of the plots of the games had been worked into the larger continuity of post genesis anyway and the fact they had an expanded adaption of Sonic Unleashed that had ended fairly recently, I really don’t see the point of doing something like on a consistent basis. Most of the plots of the current Sonic games have become intentionally simplistic and aren’t well suited for being drawn out over the course of months or years. The fact games often have years in-between releases is also an issue, given even if you did do direct adaptions from the beginning eventually you’re going to catch up to the main material anyway (a common problem in shohen actually).

Making one to one adaptions of past Sonic games is also I dunno redundant in some cases? Archie never consistently made adaptions and instead focused more on original stories, but it still had smaller archs or special issues based on certain games. The series already tackled Sonic and Knuckles, Triple Trouble, Sonic Blast, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic the Fighters, and the previously mentioned Sonic unleashed in ways I would call substantial. There’s also the fact that Sonic X had adaptions of Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 as well, along with Sonic Battle. Overall Most of the big plot heavy games have already been done before in multiple media, so what’s the point of doing them all again? This isn’t even talking about the elephant in the room that well frankly if you want to experience to the story of a certain Sonic game, you can just play those games again to get that experience.

Now do I want some elements of current sonic games worked into the comic? Well sure that would only make sense, but Archie was interesting to read because it had original plotlines and content you normally wouldn’t see in games. It wasn’t just a copy and paste job. Heck I would say most adaptions of most franchises that have bled out into multiple incarnations are like that. Each batman cartoon is different. Each Spiderman or avengers cartoon is different. Just doing the same thing you’ve already seen again in a different media is just uninspired, and the most popular adaptions always have their own unique identity while respecting their source material.

Ultraguy’s Hopes
1. Please try to retain some of the old comic talent
I love Ian Flynn. He’s basically the guy who streamlined the comic and got it back on track after years of furry drama and convoluted side stories. It would be a huge shame to have him leave when he’s basically been the creative direction of the book for over a decade now, so I REALLY HOPE IDW can get him to work for them.

Granted I’m not sure how Ian’s allegiances will play into this. I’m pretty sure he’s currently writing some stuff for actual Archie titles now , but he’s also written some stuff for Sega directly as of late, which I would think would make going following the Sonic comic more enticing given Sega is the larger company. Additionally I’m pretty sure the only reason why he got his job in the first place was because he was a talented sonic fanboy to begin with, so I’d like to think he’d be willing to work on IDW’s comic even if it meant potentially being blacklisted from Archie. Take all that into account, plus his fairly positive response on twitter and Aron webber’s hoping that some familiar names will be re-appearing (not sure if this is characters or creators or both though), and I don’t think him coming back is impossible. He also has apparently written some stories for IDW in the past, so it’s not like he would have issue getting a job with them.

Likewise while I’ll admit I don’t know the names of every current Sonic comic staff member, I would greatly love if as many of them as possible came on board. Many of them are freelancers and some like Tracy Yardly has pretty much said they’ll gladly work on the new comic if asked.
But on a whole a similar creative team with at least some of the old members would be great, since it would allow the comic to stay consistent with what we expect from the art and story.

4.      More crossovers I guess?
Ok this isn’t really a hard want, but IDW does license a lot of other properties as well. I would be down for MLP, TMNT, transformers or whatever in one off crossovers. Just as long as they don’t go overboard with the storylines like the second megaman/sonic world’s unite arch.

Overall
I think in general what I and most Sonic fans are hoping for are is basically just for the current comic to more or less go to IDW and pick up again from where it left off without skipping much of a beat. Either that or AT LEAST keeping most of the characters and elements from post gen Archie/Satam, even if the setting and plot gets a major retool.

So what did you guys think? What do you want to see in the Sonic IDW comics? Leave your ideas in the comics.