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Updated Cosmology sizes

Note: Technically the “size” of the universe pre-crises, post-crises, rebirth, etc universes should be the same. All the universes are technically the same universe undergoing a cosmic reboot. Originally we used the concept that the DC universe was at least 100 trillion light years in radius, making it 1,244,655,580 x larger than our observable universe. Since then we’ve come up with a few new measuring methods.


Earth-S universe Size method

On “Earth-S”, the universe that housed the original incarnation of Captain Marvel, Earth was shown to physically be the size of an atom relative to a giant civilization. We can compare the ratio of the size of Earth to an Atom, and use that to find the size of the observable universe relative to giant civilization.


Earth diameter=12,742,000 meters

Atom= 10 e-10 meters

Ratio=1.2742e+16 x


Normal universe diameter= 8.8e26 meters

-volume=4e80m3

DC Universe diameter=1.121296e+43 meters

-radius= 5.60648e+42 meters

DC universe volume=738,175,184,036,709,465,819,244,779,245,462,850,183,955,689,179,883,718,576,331,210,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 M3 

= 1.845438e+48 universal


Universe expansion method

The universe is stated to expand at 60 trillion light years per half second. We can use that statement to figure out how big that would make the “current” DC universe in its modern day. I’ll also take into account the “big crunch”, where the universe eventually reverses and collapses back in on itself.


There’s a few comics we can use to find the total age of the DC universe from the Big Bang to the big Crunch.


22 billion years +15 billion = 37 billion (Total lifespan of DC universe)


Given the start of the universe till modern Earth is less than half the total age of universes, it’s unlikely the receding of the universe and big crunch had started to take place. Also worth noting the universe is stated to still be expanding in modern day anyway and in real life universal acceleration actually has accelerated in the present day.


So let’s use the current age of the DC universe age, 15 billion years, as our baseline  

X 60 trillion light years

X 3.154e+7 seconds per year

X 2 (for each half second in a second)

=5.6772e+31 light years radius

=5.37104590389357172e+47 meters radius


Finding volume

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/sphere-volume 


That’s 649,030,642,684,742,461,218,667,670,722,651,559,044,388,544,182,607,929,952,390,348,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 M3 in volume


Finding the ratio between the observable universe and that size


Normal universe volume=4e80m3

Ratio =1,622,576,606,711,856,153,046,669,176,806,628,897,610,971,360,456,519,824,880,975,871

=1.6225766e+63 universal


Note: The 60 trillion light year number likely does not equate to the inflationary epoch speed(the fastest rate of expansion right when the big bang starts). In real life the inflationary epoch only lasts 10−36 seconds and It also only accounts for the 10.6ish light years, not 60 trillion.


Expanded cosmology in DC

DC’s 2nd dimension contains 196,833 fractal dimensions (Dimensional snowflake)

DC’s 3D universes has 12.3 dimensional layers

The DC universes itself has many statements saying its infinite in size


Multiverse Maps 

DC has between 52-infinite universes vibrating in the same space in a “local multiverse”

DC’s universes float in a bulk space called the Bleed, which has infinite dimensions

DC has “hypertime” which is a higher dimension of time that contains infinite timelines/continuities. 

The sphere of the gods contains various dimensions outside time/space (New Genesis/Apokolips/the 5th dimension).

The monitor sphere is above the sphere of the gods. 

The 6th dimension is above that.

Final layer of DC is the source wall, which seals DC off from the greater Omniverse. 

There’s also a dark multiverse, that’s a dark reflection of the multiverse.


DC can also be divided between the “spatial” omniverse and the “temporal” hypertime. https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Flashpoint-Beyond/Issue-5?id=204669#4 


How does each Superman compare scaling wise?

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-2016/Issue-976?id=107853#17 https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-2016/Issue-976?id=107853#18 


In layman’s terms all the main “versions” of Superman technically scale to each other via statements or conventional fights. Likewise Pre-crises, Post-Crises, N52 and Rebirth Superman are all technically the same person, and currently are canonically soft-composed in the current comics.

General strength feats


Golden Age

Superman moves a planet


Assuming it’s Earth weight at least. That’s 


5.972e21 tons


Silver Age

Superboy moves all planets in a galaxy


There’s at least 100 billion planets in the Milky Way galaxy.


Assuming all these planets are at least Earth’s size in weight.


5.972e21 x 100 billion = 5.972e+32 metric tons


Post-Crises

Superman lifts Spectre


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe


While dark matter and dark energy aren’t included in this calculation, the mass of all ordinary matter in the universe would equal 1.46e53 kg.


= 1.60937451e50 short tons


Superman lifts a black hole

Superman holds a black hole in his hand that is powerful enough to destroy a solar system.


Assuming the black hole is the size of his hand (he holds it), we can estimate its weight.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/schwarzschild-radius

Avg. male palm width: 3.5 in


Mass: 65,982,083,774,401,079,101,155 tons


Lifting the book of limbo 

Superman and Shazam lift the Book of limbo. A book of infinite pages with all stories possible in it occupying a finite space. Lifting it is explicitly stated to be a feat of strength https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Final-Crisis-Superman-Beyond/Issue-1?id=74548#19  


Infinite


N52/Rebirth/Infinite Frontier


Superman Shakes the phantom Zone

Superman and Zods fight Zaar and cause earthquakes across the entire phantom zone, alerting everyone in it https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-2018/Issue-6?id=145809#10  


According to the Multiversity book, the phantom Zone is an infinite higher dimensional structure outside the main multiverse and the bleed.


Infinite 

Misc powers feats


Heat Vision Temperature

This statement might be a way to estimate the maximum temperature of Superman’s heat vision. She says it’s effectively immeasurable by science and potentially limitless in terms of energy. Combined with its absurd feats of melting the fabric of space-time, this makes it sound like it’s a good candidate for what’s called “absolute hot.” https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1987/Issue-218?id=16671#11


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_hot


“The models of the origin of the universe based on the Big Bang theory assume that the universe passed through this temperature about 10−43 s (one Planck time) after the Big Bang as a result of enormous entropy expansion.”


Heat Vision Temperature: 10^32 K

= 1.8e33 F

= 1.0e33 C

= 1 decillion degrees C


Intelligence feats


Superman MPD 


Superman processes faster than a Supercomputer


Superman has 1/1000th the intelligence of Brainiac


MFTL Speed Feats


Golden Age

Catching up to 1000 year old light waves


Superman catches up to 1000 year old light waves. That’s 1000 light years away.


Assuming it took him at least 1 hour


1000 light years per hour= 8.766e+6 sol


Silver age

Superman catches up to light rays


Let’s say 5 billion light years away and it takes Superman an hour to catch up.


5 billion light years per hour=4.383e+13 sol


Superman can move several galaxies distance in a nanosecond


Let’s lowball 3 billion light years


3 billion light years per 1e-9 seconds

=3e+18 light years per second

= 9.46727999999999974e+25 sol


Superman flies to the edge of the universe

  • It’s stated that the universe has started to shrink. Superman works with Supergirl and Blackstar to fix it. They fly to the edge of the universe in seconds while linked to Blackstar who uses her power to reverse it. DC wikis states the universe shrinking was due to cosmic affects of COIE https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/DC-Comics-Presents/Issue-86?id=55630#23   


Let’s assume 10 seconds and use our increased Universe diameter. 5.37104590389357172e+47 m


5.37104590389357172e+46 M per second= 1.79158806720000003e+38 sol


Post-Crises


Superman Blitzes “Reality-Blitzing Missiles”

Same kind of feat as above: these missiles are going to be launched at the universes of the multiverse from the Bleed and sterilize them. In order to do so, either the missile itself or the sterilization effect that’s propagated will need to travel at least the diameter of the universe. Superman destroys these missiles before they even get there. https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis-Superman-Beyond/Issue-2?id=74549#25 



Time frame is unclear, but since they’re described as blitzing reality, let’s go with 1 second.


1.121296e+43 meters per second= 3.74024085689307075e+34 sol


Wonder Woman deflects the shattered god


Low end

Assuming shards take about 1 seconds to reach Wonder Woman that’s 5.37104590389357172e+47 M in 1 seconds

=5.37104590389357172e+47 meters per second

=1.79158806720000003e+39 sol


High end

We can also get a high end based on her movement while blocking


https://i.imgur.com/XXgZ6bF.png 

Average males height=277px=170cm

1px=.61cm

Bottom length distance moved(x2)= 562px(x2)=342.82cm(685.64cm)

Right side height distance moved(x2)=254px(2)=154.94cm(309.88cm)

Right top height distance moved(x2)=286.775px(x2)=174.93275cm(349.8655cm)

Total distance moved=1515.3855cm


Shortest distance between shards=6px= 3.66cm=0.0366 meters

Shard speed=5.37104590389357172e+47 meters per second

Time=distance/speed

=6.8143152e-50 seconds

1515.3855cm per 6.8143152e-50 seconds = 2.2238265e+52 cm per second 

=7.41788674350173205e+41 sol


Manhunter thinks on a planck time unit 


Being able to move or think in that time frame would require MFL reaction speeds


1 planck time is 5.39121e-44 seconds

.00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,005.

10 / .00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,005. = 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s or 6.67128190396304118e+35 c


Earth’s circumference is 40,075,000 meters. Half that would be 20,037,500 meters

20,037,500 / .00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,005. = 

400,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s or


1.33675811150659442e+42 xFTL



N52/Rebirth/Infinite Frontier

Superman Crosses the Universe in 60 Days

https://i.imgur.com/dNtDAWu.jpg


Using our increased universe size diameter.


5.60648e+42

/60/24

3.8933889e+39 meters per hour= 3.60748829066340314e+27 sol


Infinite/incalculable speed feats

Silver Age

Superman breaks the bonds of infinity


Infinite


Post-Crises


Superman’s vs time stops

Superman freeing himself from chronal suspension. Forced himself through it.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-1939/Issue-663?id=89343#10 


Infinite 


Superman scaling to the flash family


While Superman is slower than Barry and Wally, he’s canonically always been within the overall speed bracket of the Flash family as a whole regardless of continuity.


Some feats from the Flashes include


  • (Flash #138, pg. 13) Runing at trans-time velocity, essentially moving in a span of time so infinitesimal, no word exists to describe it, so less than Planck time. Image  

  • (Flash #138, pg. 17) Racing against his own voice, which was travelling through the fourth dimension Image  


Infinite/imeasurable

Universal feats

Golden Age


Vs the Antimonitor


1.4962012e+63 Universal


The power of Golden Age Superman’s voice


1100 decibels is roughly universe level

https://www.thehealthyjournal.com/faq/what-would-1100-decibels-do

Decibels multiply by 10 every time they increase by 10, so

1,000,000 - 1100 = 998900

998900 / 10 = 99890


So it would be 10^99,890 universes



Silver Age

Superman fights Maldor 


 1.4962012e+63 universal


Silver Age Superman collides


1100 decibels is roughly universe level

https://www.thehealthyjournal.com/faq/what-would-1100-decibels-do

Decibels multiply by 10 every time they increase by 10, so

1,000,000 - 1100 = 998900

998900 / 10 = 99890


So it would be 10^99,890 universes


10 billion decibels

Superman produces 10 billion decibels of sound https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-514?id=25782#14


10,000,000,000- 1100=9999998900

9999998900/10=999999890


So 10^999999890 universes


Post-Crises


Post Crises Superman fights Golden age Superman

Superman fights Golden Age Superman. The clashes break time and space https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Adventures-of-Superman-1987/Issue-649?id=29714#2 https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Adventures-of-Superman-1987/Issue-649?id=29714#20 

https://www.dc.com/comics/infinite-crisis-2005/infinite-crisis-5 


1.4962012e+63 universal


Heat Vision Creates ⅕  of the Big Bang

Superman’s heat vision contributes 1/5th of the energy needed to create a new big bang https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Zero-Hour-Crisis-in-Time/Issue-0?id=47445#18 

1.6225766e+63 /5

= 3.2451532e+62 uni


Infinite Mass Punch Theoretical Energy

Here it’s stated that a speedster vibrating fast enough could threaten the universe. Since Superman can replicate the Infinite Mass Punch, this should apply to him as well, considering his level of precision. https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis-Legion-of-Three-Worlds/Issue-3?id=77085#25


1.4962012e+63 universal


Superboy-Prime Monarch Destroys the Universe

Superboy-Prime survived the destruction of the universe. Superman has fought him on several occasions

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Countdown-2007/Issue-13?id=37190#17


1.4962012e+63 universal


Superman vs Gog

Superman survives being blasted by a magic staff wielded by Gog, that has the combined power of the Lanterns, the source, Zeus and Shazam combined. It breaches the walls of hypertime https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Kingdom/Issue-2?id=83865#23 https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Kingdom/Issue-2?id=83865#28 https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Kingdom/Issue-2?id=83865#30  


1.4962012e+63 universal


Superman vs Nebula man

Superman fights Nebula man, a sentient universe in humanoid form https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/JLA-Classified/Issue-3?id=54659#17  


1.4962012e+63 universal


Superman Moves Warworld

Suerman moves warworld https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-782?id=26149#14


Warworld was being powered by Imperiex’s energy at the time, who is a living Big Bang


1.4962012e+63 universal


N52/Rebirth/Infinite Frontier


Superman defeats Barbatos


1.4962012e+63 universal

Multiversal feats

Silver Age

Jaxon Punch restores infinite timelines

Multi+


Superman fights Lord Maldor

Multi+


Post-Crises


Superman fights the Anti-monitor in Convergence

At the end of Convergence Post-Crisis Superman, along with several others go back in time to defeat the original anti monitor and create a series of events where COIE was averted. https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Convergence/Issue-8?id=1479#16 

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Lois-and-Clark/Issue-1?id=19401#10 


Multi+


N52/Rebirth/Infinite Frontier

Superman vs God Brainiac


Multi+

High-multi feats

Post-Crises

Superman destroys True form Darksied

Superman destroys Darksied by canceling out his vibrational frequency. It hurts Superman’s voice to do this https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis/Issue-7?id=10698#22 https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis/Issue-7?id=10698#23 


The true form of Darkseid exists as a higher dimensional god in the sphere of the gods (Above the multiverse, and infinite dimensional bleed


Complex Multi


Superman vs the quantum mechanics

Superman smashes through a quantum mechanic https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/JLA-Heaven-s-Ladder/Full?id=102559#37 


Complex Multi


N52/Rebirth/Infinite Frontier

Superman vs the world forger

Superman punched out the world forger, the creator of most versions of the DC multiverse, along with the infinite branches of Hypertime . In the process Superman also shattered the world forgers prototype multiverse. Worth adding that the World forger is the brother and equal to the anti-monitor and Monitor.


Myxzptlk also states that the World Forger was a 6th dimensional being above his power bracket. 


For reference Myx has tons of ridicules feats


As well as


Note: All versions of Mxy are the same https://i.imgur.com/4ahPxD0.jpg  and https://comicsalliance.com/superman-reborn-exclusive-interview/ 


Note: Superman was not enhanced prior to the sun dip. It’s stated that Superman was locked in a galaxy that has just barely enough sunlight for him to subsist on. He was outright depowered https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-23?id=154764#12 



Complex Multi

Highest end feats


Post-crises

Superman wishes on the miracle machine




The Story of Superman

The “story of Superman” is a fan term regarding the “meta” power of Superman’s history and story within the context of DC. 


Essentially Superman himself acts as a sort of “foundational keystone” to DC’s entire cosmology. Some version of him exists in every universe and his “prime” counterpart in the main comic universe essentially “cannot be retconned” out of history. In fact, alterations caused to the main version of Superman alters the multiverse’s history as a whole.


Scaling to other DC characters

There’s dozens of Statements of Superman being “the strongest hero on Earth/member of the Justice League https://imgur.com/a/Q7gY7Yd 

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