Title: DEATH BATTLE Predictions: Yang Xiao Long VS. Tifa Lockhart
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Teaser Text: It’s Fist VS. Fist in the battle of the ladies who punch things.
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Backstory
Yang
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Height: 5’8
Yang (as well as Ruby) was born and raised on the island of Patch to a mother and father who were both Hunters, Taiyang Xiao Long, and Raven Branwell, her true mother, who disappeared shortly afterwards for currently unknown reasons. Because of this Yang saw Summer Rose as her true mother throughout most of her life. Several years after giving birth to Ruby, Summer embarked on a Huntress mission, and was also presumed dead.
Upset over losing a second lover, Yang’s father revealed the truth behind Yang’s birth, and Yang became motivated to meet her true mother. This motivation would lead her to bringing Ruby to an isolated location on Patch to investigate what she believed would give her a clue to her mother’s whereabouts. Unfortunately, all they found there were Beowolves, who would have killed them had their uncle Qrow not saved them.
Ashamed she nearly got herself and her sister killed, Yang vowed to not get too enmeshed in her search, and make sure she always protected Ruby. Sometime after that she was accepted into Beacon Academy, a school meant to teach their students how to fight and hunt monsters, and became excited when she learned Ruby would be attending as well. Conveniently, after passing the academy’s initiation, Yang and Ruby ended up being placed on the same 4-person team.
Thus Team RWBY was formed. So far, Yang’s close-quarters, head-first personality has made her a valuable member of the team, and a sister-figure for Ruby.
Tifa
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Height: 5’4 according to the North American FFVII manual.
Born in the village of Nibelheim, Tifa spent most of her childhood living next door to Cloud. Despite this, neither were particularly close. Until Tifa’s mother died, and, being a naive 8-year old kid, Tifa thought her mother had simply gone to Mt. Nibel. She attempted to travel to said mountain, with Cloud in tow, but the 2 ended up falling off of a bridge and were seriously injured.
5 years later, Cloud told Tifa of his plans to join SOLDIER. Tifa forced him to make a promise to protect her, and tried to keep tabs on his military progress. Sometime after this she began taking martial arts lessons from Zangan, the village’s resident martial arts expert, and was working as a tour guide. At age 15 she led several Shinrah members, including Zach and Sephiroth (and Cloud in secret) to investigate a faulty Mako reactor.
Shortly after this, Sephiroth discovered what an Oedipus complex was (I.E learned Jenova was his ‘mother’), went berserk, burned down Nibelheim, killed Tifa’s father, and set off the Mako reactor. Fortunately, Zach and Cloud saved her after she tried to take revenge. Zangan brought her to the industrialized city, Midgar, so she could recover. Once she did, Tifa joined AVALANCHE, the organization bent on Shinrah’s downfall, eventually recruiting and keeping Cloud a part of the organization.
Thus, begins her role in the events of Final Fantasy VII, and her MANY (kind of) unresolved feelings involving Cloud. She is very much the gentle-er-hyperactive girl, to Cloud’s brooding boy. At least, for those who try to pair the two together. But regardless, Tifa has assisted Cloud and other members of AVALANCHE on multiple occasions, proving herself to be one of their most valuable members.
Weapons
Yang
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Yang’s primary weapon is the Ember Celica. While they look like ordinary bracelets, they are in fact a pair of what are effectively Shotgun Gauntlets. When activated, they cover Yang's hands and forearms. With these babies on, they can create pulses of raw kinetic energy. When connected, they can knock an opponent a great distance.
These things are created using shells she has within the gauntlets. Said shells are most likely filled with Dust (a source of energy in Remnant). Assuming there is some ammo limit she has 12 shells worth in each one, making it 24 shots in total when both are fully loaded. Though given how trigger happy she is with them, it’s likely the gauntlets hold many more rounds. Since her shells tend to be red and orange, they’re also most likely filled with Red Dust (fire) and Light Orange Dust (Lava). Though those effects could also be done by her Semblance (see below).
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Not only can she use the Ember Celica as an offensive and defensive weapon, she can also use them to move around the field, using its own recoil to propel her great distances. Oh yeah, she has a motorcycle...
Tifa
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Despite her initial equipment being Leather Gloves, her appearances in other games and media seem to suggest that she mostly uses the Grand Gloves. A low-ranked weapon for Tifa which provides 31 Attack, 110 Atk%, 6 Magic, and +2 Critical%, as well as two single materia slots and 1 linked materia slot with Normal growth.
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And since they're gloves, it only makes sense that she can put on the Premium Hearts, her ultimate weapon, whenever she wants like seen in her appearances in Dissidia. It has 99 points in Attack Power, 112% of Attack Accuracy, provides 32 points in Magic, and has eight Materia linked in pair. The attack power of Premium Heart is partially dependant on her Limit Break energy. In game play, it increases the more she gets damaged (hmm, that sounds familiar).
Armor
Yang
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Beyond her very stylish scarf, and the defense that Ember Celica provides, Yang doesn’t really have any notable equipment.
Tifa
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Tifa's equipment could be anything, but she is one of the few who are able to wear the Minerva Band. In addition to having many Materia slots and providing high-end stat boosts, Minerva Band nullifies damage from Fire, Ice, Holy and Gravity elements. It also has above-average defenses and six Materia slots, linked in three pairs.
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Though she could also wear the Ziedrich Band like Cloud did in Death Battle. While this has no slots for materia, this lets the wearer receive less damage from physical and elemental attacks. She could also wear the Ribbon with either of these, which makes her immune to status effects like burns and stuns.
Skills & Abilities
Yang
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Yang has an aggressive fighting style, seemingly mixing boxing and kickboxing into her attacks. She is also quite agile, able to dodge attacks from an Ursai (monstrous animals of varying size) with ease. She is also physically strong. Even without her weapon, she can send a fully grown man several feet into the air with a single punch. That strength is augmented when using her weapon. Even armed with Turkeys for boxing gloves, she to create a shockwave by punching her opponent (in a food fight).
Her strongest physical feat was block a strike from Atlesian Paladin-290 with her forearms and then shatter its arm with a counter punch. This is because of her Semblance, a manifestation of her innate and personal power. Her Semblance gives her has the ability to absorb energy from the damage she's taken, and redirect it at her opponent. So the more damage she takes, the more damage she can dish out (to an extent).
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Yang has shown to be capable of controlling the level of her semblance during her fights. As the combat becomes more intense, she becomes faster and stronger and as a result, the fire in her hair appears. During the final state of her Semblance, her eyes turn red and her fire is capable of bursting out of her.
She also has a high durability. She can tank a barrage of missiles with little damage, being able to be hit through a roof high into the air and back to the ground with nothing but a laugh. She also has exceptional accuracy when firing her Ember Celica, able to intercept missiles and hitting a creature in the eye with a shot. She also has great reflexes, able to dodge a hail of machine gun bullets in the trailer.
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It Should be mentioned that since Yang can use her Semblance, and the fact she has a soul, she would have access to Aura. Aura is the manifestation of the soul. Besides triggering Dust, it is also capable of numerous things: creating defensive shields to block attacks, boost the attack of their strikes and weapons, unlock Auras in others and healing. The healing works automatically and can heal minor wounds.
Auras can run dry though, meaning it is not an infinite source of energy. And the healing stops working when no longer engaged in combat. It is also unknown if Yang can do many of the things, but the fact she has already impressive durability and strength feats suggest she can use it.
Tifa
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According to her appearances outside FF7, Tifa’s most commonly uses the Ice Materia. With the Ice Materia, she is able to perform various ice-based projectile attacks, as well as temporarily freeze her opponents. Tifa also has several powerful rushing/dashing attacks like Meteor Strike, Rolling Blaze and Burning Arrow in Dissidia that create bursts of fire during the attack themselves or on impact. Because of this it could be presumed she has Fire Materia on her person as well, likely in a weapon linked with elemental materia (which can be found in FF7 in her personal piano, signifying it likely belonged to her). This would allow her to create physical strikes with a fire elemental attribute. It’s possible she uses other Materia too.
In Ehrgeiz, she’s capable of shooting energy blasts as long as she has special energy for it. If she does not, she can sacrifice her health for special energy to be able to continue using that move. But her true bread and butter is her fighting moves.
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Beat Rush is Tifa's initial Limit and is a swift series of powerful punches. It deals 1.25 normal damage. Her Somersault has her performing some somersaults in the air while kicking the enemy, dealing 1.375 times normal damage to a single target. Despite its name, the Waterkick is a Sweeping kick that is non-elemental. It inflicts 1.5 times damage than a regular physical attack.
The Meteodive picks up the enemy in a vertical suplex position and slams them to the ground, dealing 1 5⁄8 times normal damage. The Dolphin Blow is a physical uppercut accompanied by water and a dolphin, dealing 1.75 times normal damage to a single target. And her Meteor Strike picks up the enemy, spins it around, jumps high into the air and flings it downwards, dealing 1 7⁄8 times normal damage to a single target.
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Her best move is the Final Heaven. This creates a giant energy blast with a punch, dealing 2 and 5⁄8 times normal damage to a single target. This is the energy blasts she uses in Ehrgeiz, meaning this move can drain her health if she continues using it more. Take the validity of this however you wish, but according to the Final Fantasy VII strategy guide, it hits with the force of a nuclear explosion.
Tifa in Dissida is described as a Feint Brawler. She can cancel her attacks to move behind her opponent, allowing her to attack them again by surprise. The attack performed after a feint will have less reach than the initial attack, but feinting allows Tifa to dodge attacks, disrupt the opponent's attempts to block, and her attacks have a higher chance for critical hits.
Weaknesses
Tifa
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Tifa is a physical fighter, so she mostly relies on being up close. While Tifa is the third strongest playable character in Final Fantasy VII, she is the third worst in Vitality and Magic, and the 4th worst with HP and MP. Even if she was to be given access to the Restore or Revive Materia, the spells can not be used to heal extreme conditions or death, as seen with Final Fantasy 4 when they used various spells to try to heal Galuf.
For a Final Fantasy VII world example, in Crisis Core: Zangan used Cure on Tifa after the Nibelheim Incident. This barely kept her alive and also failed to prevent her from losing a chunk of memory about the incident. Not to mention Cloud does not attempt to use Reviving items or spells when Aerith died, suggesting either he knew it wouldn’t work or doesn't care. She’s also never quite managed to make Cloud get over Aerith’s death.
Yang
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Yang is easily frustrated, making her attacks more predictable and easier to avoid. It’s possible for an opponent to take advantage of this, depending on their fighting style. If you can knock her out, her Semblance's Final Stage can be negated as well. She also seem to have a weakness against kick-based styles, but it is not that major of a weakness as the twins she faced favored heavily on Kick-based attacks and she defeated them. As said above Auras can run dry, and contrary to the claims made by some, her Semblance is not limitless. It can eventually stop working.
Feats
Tifa
With Cloud and Barret faced Reno, but failed to stop him from setting up a bomb
Leads Team when Cloud goes missing until they find Cloud, then leaves team.
Was trained by Zangan, who is stated to be the most accomplished martial artist in the Final Fantasy VII universe.
After a lengthy battle, Lost to Loz (A fragment of Sephiroth representing his strength and speed. Also note the length was mostly due to Loz holding back.)
Throws Cloud (Which Death Battle Calculated at being Breaking the Speed of Sound)
Took down the hundreds of feet high and highly destructive weapons (albeit normally with some help).
Aided in defeating Sephy’s final form, and survived his telekinetic attacks before the final fight began.
Tifa can easily lift monsters over hundreds of tons in weight.
Yang
With the rest of RWBY as well as others defeated Roman in a Mech
With the rest of RWBY and a Hunter defeated a group of enemies
Took a punch from the machine that was strong enough to smash a pillar
At a young age, took her sister to the woods to get to a location that took hours
Conclusion
Yang
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Advantages
-More Training. Yang started her combat training at an earlier age than Tifa, so her training has been slightly more expansive.
-She can temporarily boost her strength based on damage taken by an enemy over a fight.
-Aura can boost attacks, shield the user and heal while in battle automatically. While not anything serious like a broken leg or a removed hand, It is currently unknown if Tifa would get access to a healing Materia.
Disadvantages
-Slower
-Physically weaker
-Less Experienced and skilled. While Yang has been fighting for a long time, she can be easily angered and that could make her sloppy. With Tifa’s fighting style, that could prove to be her downfall. Also, Yang is only getting into her season 3 at this point, so her story is still ongoing. And the enemies she has faced aren’t as diverse as Tifa’s.
-Ember Celica will be less effective against Tifa due to her armor.
Tifa
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Advantages
-More Experienced. Tifa's actually gone on and completed her entire world saving journey, as opposed to Yang who's still fairly early on in her adventures. Likewise there is a higher diversity of enemies, weapons, mechs, etc. in FF7 that what we have currently seen in RWBY.
-Better Armor. The Minerva Band and Ribbon nullify fire attacks and prevent burns. This is kinda a big deal given Yang uses a lot of fire based attacks.
-Premium Hearts. The Premium Hearts weapon works almost the same way as Yang’s Semblance. Tifa's damage output increases as she takes damage from her enemies (or basically when her limit break/ex mode meter fills up in gameplay). Though the strength increase is based on Math, not the damage she has taken.
-Stronger. Tifa has far more strength feats to rely on than Yang, most of which surpass her. So unless they come up with a different calculation to make Yang seem stronger, it is likely Tifa is the stronger of the two.
-Better technique and fighting style. Tifa’s fighting style relies on mobility, fake outs and counters. It could be argued that Tifa can fight more strategically than Yang. Either way, she is more likely to keep her cool than Yang.
Disadvantages
Less training: Her actual training started at a later age than Yang.
Additional Links for Tifa and Yang.
Verdicts
AkumaTh
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BEFORE THE PREVIEW: There is a lot of debates in this match up. Funny enough, Yang has no real factor in it. What you see of Yang is what you get. The real enigma comes from Tifa. I know what you're thinking: "Tifa can Suplex a weapon and one shot monsters, what is the issue?" That is because you're only thinking of her game play and not of the character.
Final Fantasy 7 is a highly customizable game. You can play anyway you want, use any equipment or team member (outside Cloud), and even do or do not do side quest. But there is one thing you can not change no matter what you do: the story. No matter how powerful the characters are in game: they'll still be captured by SHINRA numerous times, Sephiroth will still get his hands on the Black Materia, and Aerith will die.
So the debate is not who would win, but how Tifa works. It is a debate between Game Play and Story. Should her capabilities be based off what she can do in the games or what she can do according to the story? My reasoning and arguments are for the story. While Game play can be used to show off what she can do, it not a good measurement to show off how much she can do.
You're going to hear examples from Mario and Zelda as examples of game play being an important factor for a character. While that is true, there is one thing they overlook: you have to do that to progress. You have to be Mario to beat Bowser. You have to be Link to lift those stone people. Final Fantasy 7, you don't need Tifa in your party to beat the enemies.
You could do a run where you only use Tifa or not use Tifa at all. You could use the best Materia or stick with basic moves. End of the day, the enemy would be defeated by the party. We have no way to know what Tifa does in FF7 or how effective she is in battle. That's why I focus heavily on the story part, because game play is closer to a fighting game than a Mario or Zelda game.
Like a fighting game, FF7 allows you to play effectively with any character you choose. Favoring one character over others won't hurt you from completing the game. Even Dan Hibiki can be played from beginning to end in Arcade mode. But the story suggest that Dan couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. Of course, Tifa easily trumps Dan but the question is how did those fights in FF7 happened?
That's why looking at the other medias are so important to this debate. They show us what the original can't show us: just how it is supposed to be like. With FF7:AC, we see what Tifa can do on her own and as part of a team. We see in AC and CC what the materias can do when wielded by a person. Dissidia and Ehrgeiz shows us what she would bring as a character. All this, plus the few feats she does show within FF7 is what I am using to determine who I side with in this Death Battle.
That is why I'm siding with Yang. She has shown more impressive (and legit) strength, speed and durability over Tifa. While she could have done a lot, it doesn’t show anywhere else outside game play. And while she is obviously doing something in the fight, we do not have the details of exactly what. She could be damaging the enemy equally or even better than others. She could be providing distraction to let Cloud get the more damaging hits. She could be just spamming Knights of the Round. She could be taking and surviving those hits. She could be rescued by Cloud before taking said hits. Lots of possibilities but no way to confirm them within the game (for the good). But Advent Children shows us how they work as a team, which is to distract the monster long enough and help Cloud take it out.
And while others may say "Yang is 1/4 of a team, so not as impressive as Tifa", story wise suggest otherwise. Tifa is part of a 8 man team and that's not including Summon Materia, which increases that to a 24 person army. So Tifa's possibilities can be just as bad for her as it is good. That’s why it is important to know the exact details of what she is capable of instead of assuming she could survive such a thing. Its nice to say she survived an island’s destruction, but when you actually look at it can you really say she did?
And while if the Equipment would negate the fire Yang uses, the Semblance is still something Tifa can't overcome. Her Platinum Hearts increases her strength by a certain degree, not proportional to the attack she receives. Not to mention it diminishes when using her Limit Break Techniques. So that is why I'm siding with Yang.
AFTER THE PREVIEW: Amazing how one preview can change opinions. We learned two things from Tifa’s Preview: 1) Game Play seems to be considered, but I’m not sure. 2) Even if not, they found a feat that trumps Yang’s. Tifa throwing Cloud at the Speed of Sound is a lot more impressive than what Yang has shown offensively. That’s pretty much better than any other Tifa supporter tried to defend with. I think there’s more than what they’re showing and after having the wound of my previous arguments being reopened, I’m going back to support Yang. The reason being that the Tifa supporters may not be using ALL of Tifa’s Game Play into their reasonings.
Ultraguy
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So just a few things before I start
Yang’s semblance allowing her to power up until infinity=bullshit.
Yang winning due to tin hat theories about this being a Monty tribute episode or Rooster Teeth being owned by the same company as Screwattack=bullshit.
Tifa having whatever power level due to gameplay alone, scaling or presumptions made on characters who power can be measured, but who’s fights don’t happen in real time = not really bullshit, but I can understand disagreements that arise from a lack of video of Tifa directly performing a feat herself.
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Um anyway I think a lot of people have gotten WAAAAAAAY too far of one side of two extremes of this match (without really understanding why people are advocating for either). That idea that Tifa has to directly show EVERY feat she performs on screen herself and that gameplay needs to be dismissed completely is wrong. Likewise the idea that gameplay should be taken nearly 1 to 1, direct feats aren't needed and that you don’t need to put that much interpretation into possible events that make up a possible battle in an RPG fighting system (which by the way is MUCH different than something like say a 3rd-person adventure game like Zelda or a real time fighting game) is also wrong. Personally both sides of this divide have probably been argued best by Akuma and CGG in the forums,so I’ll post what they had to say rather than elaborate on both sides of the divide myself..
http://forums.screwattack.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=23782&p=552819&hilit=akuma+not+a+mistake#p552819
http://forums.screwattack.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=23782&p=551696#p551696
Personally I don’t fully fall on either side: Either thinking that it’s unreasonable to believe developers gave her certain game abilities/inclusions in fights without it being some implication of her power, or thinking that some calcs have some vague/debatable qualities and that at least a few direct feats would suffice. A conservative compromise makes more sense to me.
Clearly Tifa was meant to able able to lift huge objects and enemies to some extent if the developers of FF7 literally gave that to her as one of her primary special attacks. Likewise clearly opponents like the weapons, sephiroth and such are MUCH more dangerous and destructive than any opponent team Rwby have faced in their series thus far. Tifa herself has several more directly viewable out of gameplay feats like throwing Cloud fast enough to break the sound barrier and kicking opponents with enough force to send them dozens of feet away. This makes previously presumed abilities a bit more digestible and non-cotradcitary.
Personally I think that alone should be enough to prove Tifa trumps Yang on a strength, endurance, and most likely speed level by a fairly wide margin regardless of exactly where you place her. Given that’s already all 3 points of the stat trinity, that gives her a fairly big advantage from the outset.
Anyway outside of that Tifa has abilities that perfectly match or counter Yangs. She can counter Yang's semblance with her Premium Hearts weapon, which powers her up in a similar fashion when she takes damage (more or less). Tifa has just as much long range potential as Yang (through the ice materia, which is what she'll likely get AT MINIMUM), meaning Yang’s long range options aren't really an option for her. Tifa’s much more experienced having had an entire journey against world destroying evil, while Yang is STILL barely through the beginning segments of hers.
Tifa's fighting style is based around counters/feints, which will easily frustrate the easily angered Yang, causing her to get sloppy just like how she did when fighting Neo. Finally Tifa has pieces of equipment that totally shut down fire and burn damage, which is kinda a big deal since Yang’s projectiles are fire-based and she herself gets a fiery aura of sorts when her semblance activates.
The only thing Yang TECHNICALLY has is training, since that started at a younger age for her (though I feel real world experience trumps that).
So yeah, Yang doesn’t seem likely to win this fight, though hopefully DB can find a way to lessen the blow for fans of Monty (perhaps having Tifa revive Yang with a phoenix down, like some fans have suggested).
Hero’s Shade
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I’ll admit that I’ve never played a Final Fantasy game, although I have watched some playthroughs and the movies recently and I am more aware of her more notable feats, and the same goes for Yang. I just want to toss in my two cents regarding all the silliness that’s been revolving around this debate.
First, the argument that all of Tifa’s feats are in gameplay, and thus should not count. There are a lot of problems with this. First, that gameplay feats have been used in VS debates before and nobody had a problem with them, even in Death Battle itself, heck we just had Dan struggling to throw a man over his shoulder in the post-fight analysis, which happens only in gameplay, and nobody cried foul. Plus, from the preview, it’s pretty clear they’re using her ability to toss giant monsters as a viable feat.
Though there are some cases where using gameplay is frowned upon, such as Kirby getting hurt by spikes and falling apples when he tanks planetary explosions in several cutscenes, that doesn’t mean they’re all bad and we should just wave them all away. A wise man once told me, “We shouldn’t burn down the whole orchard because of a few bad apples”. They’re something you take on a case by case basis.
If it’s not something that doesn’t go out of the character’s usual realm of abilities, and is something that the character is legitimately capable of doing, there is little room to argue against using it. The early Castlevania games, for example, have valid feats that derive mostly from gameplay, since it’s a very gameplay-driven game and doesn’t show anything too inconsistent. Tifa was clearly there when travelling with Cloud, so this is essentially saying that she just stood there and did nothing, and was lucky enough to not get hit by anything for the entire game.
Second, even if we do ignore this, Tifa still has feats outside of gameplay that Yang supporters seem to either be overlooking or ignoring. For example, there are bosses in scripted cutscenes (meaning no gameplay or player interference whatsoever) who will use attacks that affect the ENTIRE TEAM, which would include Tifa, and some of said attacks even come from the likes of Sephiroth himself. She even took some punishment from Sephiroth directly and survived, and assisted in defeating Ultimate Weapon, which caused a large crater calc’d to be in the petaton range, and along with Cloud survived the destruction of a small city.
That alone puts her well above Yang, who has shown nothing yet above large building level, city block level if you really want to be generous. There was even a portion in FF7 where she was leading the team when Cloud was unavailable. Also recall that she is regarded as one of the top three strongest members in Cloud’s party, and Cloud himself is a moon buster at the very least. This is all part of the FF canon, there’s not much you can do to debunk them, and it being an RPG doesn’t do anything to change that. Feats shouldn’t be waved away because of where they came from, especially when the game makes it quite obvious that these events all happened in the story.
Then, there’s the argument that Yang can beat her due to Semblance.This is a No Limits Fallacy.
NLFs. NLFs everywhere...
Yes, she gets more powerful as she takes a hit, but there’s isn’t enough concrete evidence to suggest she can reach Tifa’s level. In fact, it’s made very clear that it’s limited to how far it can actually increase her power, and is not a “be-all-end-all” game-changing mcguffin, evident by how she can still be knocked out, which Tifa is more than strong and skilled enough to do. Plus, if we allow Limit Breakers and Tifa’s Premium Heart, she essentially has the same thing but better.
Thirdly, I haven’t seen anything all that impressive from Yang in terms of feats.The argument in Yang’s favor seems to rely entirely on disregarding Tifa’s feats and overinflating Yang’s Semblance, but I have yet to see anything that puts it above town level at best. Sure, just because Tifa survived attacks from top tiers that doesn’t make her as powerful as Sephiroth, and sure, they weren’t their most powerful attacks, thus making Tifa difficult to actually pinpoint where she stands in her verse, but if she can survive attacks on that level, she can certainly take anything Yang can throw at her.
To put this into perspective, let’s consider how they fare alone without a team in comparison to one another. Take Tifa away from her team and pit her alone against the foes Yang has faced. I’m rather confident that she would have minimal to no difficulty.
Now do the same for Yang and put her up against the big bads of the Final Fantasy verse. How long do you think she would last against planet busters?
The fourth argument, the silliest of them all, is that DB wouldn’t let Yang die because that would “disrespect Monty”. Monty Oum’s passing, although tragic, does not sway this verdict in either direction. He honestly wouldn’t care, since this is a DB he even told Ben that he wanted, meaning he would be prepared to see Yang lose, adding to the fact that Tifa is one of Monty’s favorite fictional characters.
Save your tin foil for preserving your food, don’t waste it by making hats out of it.
With all that being said, it should be obvious that my chips are on Tifa.
Max Of Few Trades
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It’s always tough to research and predict fights like this, namely, a fight between two characters you deeply enjoy almost equally.
However, I’ll do my best to list the facts as I see them and be as brief as possible.
I believe Tifa to be more than strong enough to take on Yang, as even the lower end monsters in FF7 can be compared to Grimms in terms of strength and combat methods. Tifa is also more of a technical fighter than Yang, utilizing feints and fake outs to throw her opponent off and create openings. Yang is a hot head and will likely grow more angry as the fight goes on, and more of her blows keep missing while she takes damage herself. What that sounds like to me is that in a straight, nothing special brawl, Tifa has the technique and strength necessary to take Yang down.
Now if we include the weapons and equipment into the fight then I beleive Yang still falls short compared to Tifa.
Yang’s single best bet in this fight is her Semblance boosting her strength to put her closer to Tifa’s natural strength. However we can’t say for certain if even that will be enough to change the tide in her favor. Yang has been defeated before, implying that even with her Semblance she has clear limits. To make matters worse for her, Tifa’s Premium Hearts do almost the exact same thing as Yang’s Semblance, even if the Hearts don’t buff Tifa as much as Yang’s Semblance does, it will most definitely keep the gap in strength between the two of them large enough to keep things in Tifa’s favor.
Lastly, Tifa could be wearing any number of things, but all of the three most likely things she could be given completely negate fire attacks from harming her, so the best Yang’s blasts could do is push Tifa back a bit from the momentum and little else. Add Tifa’s ice magic and it’s even less likely any of Yang’s blasts will ever touch her.
Stronger, more experienced, and a counter for almost everything Yang could throw at her, it’s tough to see things going well for Yang.
In the end, I believe Tifa with her more technical fighting style, monster like strength, and armor negating Yang’s attacks, ultimately Tifa just comes up on top.
Samuraispartan7000
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I honestly don't understand why gameplay has taken such a massive beating in this debate. People's views on the interplay between story and game is entirely subjective and such things shouldn't really matter in a versus debate.
Gameplay made Doomguy faster than his rockets, gameplay made Mario temporarily indestructible with the Super Star, and gameplay made Raiden strong enough to lift Metal Gear. Why should Tifa's gameplay be taken any less seriously than theirs’? The preview confirmed that the Meteor Strike is valid, so the whole ‘gameplay vs story’ thing isn’t really up for debate anymore. And even if we do ignore gameplay completely, Tifa can still put up more of a fight than anyone gives her credit for. Yang… Not so much.
Yang’s ability to destroy a mech along with five other people is not that impressive considering that two other people and a twenty-two pound dog could defeat a whole squad of them. Tifa on the other hand can withstand explosions powerful enough to destroy several city blocks, launch objects with enough force to break the sound barrier and fight ⅓ of Sephiroth on even terms. Yang got her ass kicked by a chick with an umbrella… How is losing to Loz more embarrassing than that? And uh… All of those feats came from Advent Children by the way. And with the Premium Heart at her disposal, she won’t even need Final Fantasy VII’s gameplay to beat Yang.
The Premium Heart counters Yang’s Semblance and the Minerva Band renders Yang’s Ember Celicas’s long range capabilities useless. If Yang can’t surpass Tifa’s strength at close range and can’t even deal any damage from long range, what else can she do? If we are being completely honest here, Tifa outclasses Yang in almost every category. Strength, experience, weaponry, equipment… Just everything. Score one point for the brunettes!
LSwan62
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*Glares at forums*
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LousyTactician
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My time researching and seeing discussion regarding this fight has made me really wish DEATH BATTLE had waited for another volume or 2 of RWBY to be released before putting someone from the show in a fight. Some more feats and maybe a few power-ups would have done a lot for this match. Because as it stands Yang has no chance against Tifa.
There's been a lot of debate over the merits of Tifa's gameplay feats, which I think has (thankfully) been put to rest with the preview of Tifa. Said preview outright mentions her suplexing the giant enemies Cloud and Co. take down in FFVII. Whether you agree with it or not, it's quite clear DEATH BATTLE will be using at least some gameplay feats for Tifa, making the 'none of this counts because it's gameplay' argument bunk.
I'll grant I do not think translating gameplay to feats is a perfect 1 to 1 formula, but here's the thing: Even ignoring all the gameplay from Final Fantasy VII, we've seen Tifa survive slashes and telekinesis from Sephiroth outside of gameplay, kick away a blast from Bahamut Sin, and if we're to believe the strategy guide, has a move that hits with the force of an atomic blast. In short, even giving Yang supporters all the benefit of the doubt in the world, Tifa still outclasses her opponent in strength, speed, durability, and skill by a long shot.
Tifa has much better equipment too, with armor that nullifies both burns and fire-damage, which is kind of a big deal against an opponent who uses fire-based attacks. Really, outside of I guess training, I can't think of a single advantage Yang has. Even that I don't think is particularly significant, as while Yang has been training from an earlier age than Tifa, Tifa has a lot more experience overall, more varied experience, and I'd peg her as the more skilled of the 2.
The claim that Yang's Semblance = Victory is bullshit too, if that wasn't already clear enough. Tifa's Premium Hearts provides her with the same core ability, and assuming Semblance has no limits just because a limit hasn't technically been shown is a colossal no limits fallacy.
What's more, I think the Yang supporters claiming Tifa will lose because she has done little without a group backing her up and has lost virtually all her 1-vs-1 fights are incredibly hipocritical. Yang has relied just as much, arguably moreso, on team RWBY as Tifa has on Cloud and her companions. Besides, the most recent 1-v-1 fight we've seen from Yang consisted of her getting stomped and rendered unconscious by Neopolitan. I fail to see how that is somehow more excusable than Tifa losing to Loz, one of the embodiments of fucking Sephiroth (the strength and speed of Sephiroth no less).
The claim that Tifa can't access the full potential of Materia due to not having the mental prowess is incredibly faulty as well. Yes, how effectively someone uses Materia is dependent on their mental prowess, but that should only prove how Tifa should be one of the best Materia users. Tifa was able to survive being submerged in The friggin’ Lifestream. This is the same Lifestream that made Cloud unconscious and messed with his memories… So I'm pretty sure Tifa has the willpower needed to utilize Materia for a victory.
In short, unless my pipe-dream of Yang or someone on team RWBY blowing up what remains of Remnant's moon occurs sometime in the future, my money is on Tifa.
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