"The following is the opinion of only those involved in its writing. It is not officially endorsed by Rooster Teeth Productions or necessarily representative of the views of the Death Battle staff at large."
“What is up with the Diamond Blast? Is Steven Solar-System Level?”
It may come as a shock to some people to not see a certain recalculation of the Diamond Blast appear in the episode. Mainly because I'm the one who made it. I'm surprised no one caught on that I just used the pre-established figures from a previous calc and applied the more recent methods of luminosity to it. In truth, the feat isn't that high.
Using the sun's GBE and the Homeworld distance, you can get up to over 200 Ninatons of TNT (it says Tenatons in the episode, I had accidentally added a zero when communicating to Editors). That's Dwarf Star level. But a couple things:
The blast clearly happens between Earth and the Moon. Sure, it seems to kinda be shown to the side of the moon at first. But the actual beam of light overcasts the Earth but not the Moon. The distance could be much shorter. The main evidence we have for using two galaxy's worth of length is the statement that White Diamond hasn't left Homeworld in "eons."
Which, given when we see White Diamond she is fairly integrated within all of Homeworld, is believable. We also know that she is solely responsible for Homeworld’s busted up shape. So there is some corroborating evidence, but the statement leaves a lot up in the air.
Yellow could have meant by eons that Diamond was just there for a long while. This would still line up with the Gem Wars. White Diamond could have just as easily left Homeworld for a day or two to annihilate the Crystal Gem army, and the statement would still be true.
You can argue for either, but even using the highest yield we could get for the feat, Steven still loses with similar leniency given to Star. I had calc’d the luminosity with the midway Earth to Moon distance to be far less. With GBE methods, around City level. With the luminosity equation, you get Country level. Both are well below even some of Star's spells. Using any of them is fine, but the Diamond Blast certainly isn't Solar System level.
“Did Star need Universal scaling to win?”
Nope. A lot of her spells already reach Planet-level on their own. The lasso spell and gravity spells when scaled to Earth’s rotational energy reach 53 Zettatons (5 times more than the higher end of the Lapis calc).
Not only that, but Rhombulus had used his diamonds to stop a black hole that was being created by one of the magical creatures he trapped (Star VS. The Force of Evil, Season 2, ‘The Hard Way’, 6:33). At first we questioned if it could be considered a legitimate black hole, but the Book of Spells outright mentions the former prince of Mewni trying to measure a black hole’s ‘gravitational radius’.
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When calc’d, it reaches the low Yottaton range, which is also above anything in Steven's paygrade, even accounting for the Cluster. Both are pretty well-corroborated by Star’s crystal laser being stated to be capable of destroying planets.
Steven would only win this if we ignored all the arguments for Universal Star, and used the high ends of all of Steven's calculations. To be fair, comparing base forms to each other, Steven does surpass her in every stat given that without magic, Star's physicality is fairly featless. But then again, the fact that Star's exposure to her world's magic would likely scale to her durability, and Skywynne surviving her own dimension bust (we’ll get to that), makes this point arguable.
“What would happen if Steven took Star's wand?”
Steven's "temple" bubbles prevent power from being conducted inside of them. Gems cannot reform while inside of one. This can effectively take Star's wand out of the fight. But the wand was only training wheels to the real deal. Star has learned to cast magic without the use of a wand.
Should Steven wise up and use the wand for himself, it closes the gap on AP. Toffee used the wand to defeat the High Commission without prior ability to use it. But Steven has never been in Star's world and wouldn't have the history in magic needed for it to scale to his durability. Not to mention, he wouldn’t know if he could actually use the wand until he tried it. Steven would still get one shotted and out-ranged if Star decided to go all out.
“Is the Whispering Spell effective on Steven?”
"Gem Magic", as it is referred to in the series, is not magic in the traditional fantasy sense. It cannot be equated to Star's type of magic. "Gem Magic" is the photokinesis, biology, and setup for gems to develop tools and weapons for the sake of Homeworld. It is fantastical, but it's technically still natural to Gem physiology. Sort of like how Superman’s powers are ridiculous, but not mystical in nature. Gem magic certainly isn’t an MP bar in Dungeons and Dragons.
So short answer, no.
Various objections to Skywynne’s feat
The full narration and page mentioning Skywynne’s dimension bust, for context.
“I wanted to make something explode. I have done this before on a bad day, but this time I wanted to blow up something bigger than a hill, or even a mountain! I wanted to rip the Earth in two, feel the heat from its center! I charged up my wand, and I was emotionally charged as well. Thinking of Sir Gem-robin, and also feeling a fool for even caring. I charged and charged up my wand, the glow so bright I felt like I was a star. My cheeks glowed as well! I knew I must be dipping down for the first time! What a wonderful feeling, a feeling of so much power! I powered up and up, the glow from within me burning brighter and brighter! I was floating high in the air! When I couldn’t hold on to it any longer, I let out a mighty blast… And Dimension 811 was no more.”
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“Star isn’t a descendent of the original Butterfly family bloodline, and therefore can’t be scaled to Skywynne.”
Lineage has nothing to do with someone’s actual magical potency. Star and other members of the Butterfly family gain their magical powers from being exposed to magic on a regular basis through the royal family wand until they can ‘dip down’ without the wand. Hence why we referred to the wand as ‘training wheels’ in the episode. It’s also why the Magic High Commission was able to easily replace Eclipsa’s family line with the random peasant family that Star descends from. Because ANYONE can have magic potency comparable to the Butterfly family as long as they are regularly exposed to the wand’s magic for a long enough time. Ergo, lineage is not grounds to deny Star scaling to past queens of Mewni.
“But Star lost to Meteora, who is the true heir to the Butterfly family. Doesn’t that mean the true members of the Butterfly family are more powerful?”
The fight for full context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvvdAtGcCro
We’re not sure what people define as a ‘loss’, but Star and Meteora fight pretty evenly as far as we’re concerned. Star uses up all her magic in the fight, sure, but Meteora gets blinded and seriously injured as a result before ultimately being de-aged by Eclipsa. They’re clearly at least somewhat on even grounds. This, if anything, is proof that Star scales to the past queens of Mewni despite not being related by blood.
“But Skywynne was under mental stress when she destroyed the dimension.”
We’re not sure what this changes. It has been shown multiple times in Star VS. that magic and the intensity of it responds to the user’s emotions. In Skywynne’s case, her dimension bust stemmed from her unrequited love for Sir Gem-robin. Wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume that Star being placed into a battle to the death would eventually lead to comparable, if not more, ‘mental stress’ than an unrequited crush?
“How are you sure that Star knows the same spells as Skywynne?“
Of all the sections in the Book of Spells, we know for a fact that Star has at least read Skywynne’s chapter. Glossaryk mentions in the book that Star ‘stopped reading everything after Skywynne’s chapter’. Star claims she ‘skimmed’ the rest, but regardless of who you believe, she still read Skywynne’s chapter. I.E, the one that conveniently has the section about destroying a universe with magic. Star’s signature move, the Warnicorne Stampede, was also learned from Skywynne’s chapter. So it stands to reason that any spell Skywynne could perform, Star can as well.
“Skywynne didn’t even record the spell she used to destroy Dimension 811 though.”
Skywynne didn’t record the spell because she didn’t use a unique or specific spell. She just harnessed her emotions, let out a generic explosion, and the dimension went poof. You may know this as "Dipping Down" since that is exactly what it is. Note from the monologue:
"the glow so bright I felt like I was a star. My cheeks glowed as well! I knew I must be dipping down for the first time!"
Even being pedantic and assuming that the spell must be specific, Star has known how to dip down since Season 1. She fully mastered it by the end of Season 2. Skywynne dipped down to destroy the dimension, Star would only need to do the same to win.
We’ll also point out the section of Skywynne’s chapter that covers this feat is called ‘What to do when you explode a dimension’. Skywynne wrote this specifically as a guide for her successors with the expectation that they would accidentally destroy a dimension like she did. It would make no sense for her to be orders of magnitude stronger or more magically gifted than Star or her successors, and for her to also think they can replicate her dimension-busting feat.
“We don’t know the context behind the Skywynne blast. It could have taken several minutes, maybe hours to charge. How do we know Star can just tap into enough power to overtake Steven on a whim?”
Universal levels often get thrown around like bargain bin tiers to everyone nowadays, but Universal is a lot of power. Let’s put this in mathematical terms. It takes around 6.752e+82 Tons of TNT to extinguish one universe. Now Star is stated numerous times to be a prodigy amongst anyone who has taken the Mewni throne. Skywynne should at the very least be comparable. Let’s say, hypothetically, that she charges a linear amount of energy per second. Now we can apply that to an arbitrary “charge time” to which we can divide our above value. Okay, here we go.
10 minutes = 600 seconds = 1.1253333e+80 Tons of TNT (Multi-Galaxy)
1 hour = 3600 seconds = 1.8755556e+79 Tons of TNT (Multi-Galaxy)
1 day = 86400 seconds = 7.8148148e+77 Tons of TNT (Multi-Galaxy)
1 week = 604800 seconds = 1.1164021e+77 Tons of TNT (Multi-Galaxy)
1 year = 3.154e+7 seconds = 2.1407736e+75 Tons of TNT (Multi-Galaxy)
15 years (Star’s age) = 4.73e+8 seconds = 1.4274841e+74 Tons of TNT (Multi-Galaxy)
Mewni has been ruled by 37 queens. They are pretty 1-to-1 with humans for the most part, but let’s say every one (including Star, Eclipsa, and Moon) lived out to old age. And that the life expectancy for a Mewman is equivalent to the oldest person who ever lived on Earth: Jeanne Calment of 122 years and 164 days, but we’ll round up to 123.
123 * 37 = 4551 Years
4451 Years = 1.4352e+11 seconds = 4.7045708e+71 Tons of TNT (Multi-Galaxy)
The Universe is theorized to be 13.8 billion years old.
Age of the Universe = 4.351968e+17 seconds = 1.551482e+65 (Multi-Galaxy)
Notice how not a single figure dropped below Multi-Galaxy, not even remotely close to the highest balled KiloFOE version of the Diamond Blast. Star could be charging for the entire age of Mewni’s history - upwards to the age of the universe (and even then, way more than that), and she would be producing enough power per second to one-shot Steven. The narration also outright states that "I let out a mighty blast, and dimension 811 was no more." It was more than certainly a lot more sudden than that.
While it may seem just a couple tiers above one another on a forum site, Universe level is far above Steven’s paygrade.
“But Skywynne’s dimension-bust is an outlier”
This one has always been a bit confusing to us. Series finale aside, Star isn’t a genocidal maniac, and for as irresponsible as she can be, isn’t going to be eradicating universes on a regular basis. How many universe-busting feats can we reasonably expect from a kid’s show about a goofy magical princess?
That aside, there is actually a lot of stuff to corroborate the feat.
-Queen Moon states very clearly that the royal wand is capable of destroying their universe in the first episode. Star’s own magical power exceeds the wand’s by the end of the series.
-Toffee one-shots Omnitraxus (alongside the rest of the High Commission), who is essentially the embodiment of space and time, and a living universe himself. Star later one-shots Toffee.
-In the finale, Star, Moon, Eclipsa, and Meteora’s combined silencing spell destroys the realm of magic, and ultimately magic as a whole across the multiverse.
A universe-busting feat from a guidebook, several universe-busting statements in the show, the death of a living universe that embodies space and time, and the eradication of magic across a vast multiverse is, quite frankly, way more consistent than a series like Star VS. has any right to be. And all of it can be scaled back to Star. Sprinkled in are also several planet level mid-tier spells such as Skywynne’s gravity spell and Star’s Crystal Laser.
“Toffee defeating Omnitraxus was just a case of hax.”
Not really. Characters in Star VS. have a finite amount of magic they can generate. Using up too much can lead to exhaustion, or in the case of beings composed of magic, potentially death. We see this multiple times across the series. Reducing Omnitraxus to the state he was put into would require overpowering him with a comparable level of magic. It isn’t a hax thing like, say, transmutation, where you’re bypassing an opponent’s durability through unconventional means. Toffee just completely overtook Omnitraxus and his magic.
“But Omnitraxus didn’t die, he was just in stasis.”
This is really splitting hairs. He was still completely decommissioned by Toffee’s magic. Even if it was only 80% of Omnitraxus’ magic for whatever reason, Toffee would still scale, and taking out all the other Magic High Commission members afterwards would more than make up for it.
“There’s nothing concretely proving Omnitraxus is a universe-buster.”
We see pretty clearly that he is a living universe when Star enters the world within him. It’s hardly a stretch to say that destroying Omnitraxus equates to a universal feat since the world within him would be destroyed as well. Similar to how a character like Queen Sectonia from Kirby is considered planet-level bare minimum from her size alone. Maybe if this was the only feat to support Star being universal, it would be debatable since Omnitraxus was sized down during the fight, but... It isn’t the only feat we have. So it works well as corroborating evidence.
I guess you can that People had their expectations of a Steven Universe win, Shattered.
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DeleteLol stay salty; it's not wanking when they literally show multiple instances of Star having and/or scaling to Universe-level feats. Also, hilarious you say "Vs Battles wiki wanking" with zero evidence that it's wanking nor even evidence that Vs Battles wiki has wanking anyway. Lmao I can already tell you're gonna reply back with hollow projecting insults and assertions with zero evidence behind them, stay salty little man.
Delete^^^ I wouldn't pay much attention to this "Ok" kid, they clearly have no idea how to make decent, consistent arguments, just salty evidence-less assertions and will no doubt hit back with more insults and crappy arguments that are easy to debunk. Peace out.
DeleteDaily reminder that your iron fist vs po blog q n a sucked ass
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DeleteNope, your arguments suck ass. Stay salty, unknown rando hater ;)
DeleteIron fist should have won. Ultraguy guy's q n a on that battle sucked ass and was debunked in the comment section
DeleteNope. Po rightfully scales to higher feats, deal with it ;.
DeleteNo he doesn't scale to higher feats neither rightfully when the turtle shield saved him lmao. Iron fist has ounces through colossus keep crying
DeleteThe reality.. this is so easy to debunk like the blog, but I respect your opinion, and the spell to destroy the planet ... it is not much use, because I agree that to destroy a planet you need 56 zettatons to some yottatons, but Steven's shield gave him 2 TNT Tenatons, which is for a dwarf star like that what ... checkmate, apart from talking to someone who is more a fan of SVTFOE, and as a fan ... Steven Universe should have won, cutting it does not take away the bravery
ReplyDeleteThey still mentioned the Uni stuff for Star....Yes, Steven was put at Dwarf Star but...Star was still put at Uni (i'll give you 1 thing, i feel like they need to stop putting important stuff in the corner and explain certain things more clearer). And if you wish to debunk the Uni stuff, go for it. It's extremely blatant and has way too much evidence for it. Like the fact that the wand is stated to be Uni multiple times in the show, the only chapter of the BoS that Star read quite literally has a confirmed Uni spell, She oneshot a dude who oneshot a being made of Space-time continuums and is a living universe...like what sort of mental gymnastics do you have to do to say that to avoid the Uni stuff...
DeleteJust wait, i'm gonna debunk that too
DeleteLmao nope, you won't :) You gonna be waiting and trying forever. Star won fair and square, deal with it (and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like SVTFOE btw).
DeleteOnestly, I understand not trusting the star Universal feat, but I think if you buy the diamond blast scaling then there Is really no Reason not to dicard Universal Star. Firstly, the blast Is debateble if It was actually from homeworld, and even if It was it's not a real Attack, It was hax specific to target gems. Even if It was an attack It was only achieved only with the three diamonds combined. Steven never seriusly defeated all three diamonds in a Fair match, and even then, that light itself was most likely some sort of ritual, not really something they can do on a wimp. If you argue Steven should scale because Rose protected them with the shield, that was literally done kilometers/lightyears away. It's like me saying I scale to the full force of an Atomic bomb because I was 100 meters away and Survived. So you accept a feat that Is debatebly that High, it's not a real attack, It does not scale directly to Steven, and It also contraddicts some of the show powerscaling, but not a feat specificly recorded to have caused actual damage, used with a tecnique that Star also knew and mastered and Is even supporter by a few Lines from the show itself? Onestly, even if we lowball It and Say that dimension was only a solar sistem, and Star was literally a million time weaker than Skywynne, Star would still be around the same level as Steven, if not higher. Universe level for Star Is a real argument. The only way to deny that Is to essentially assume She Is like a vegintillion Time weaker than her non ancestor, which Is an unrealistic assumption to make. Even then, there are still some other feat that would put Star above the 200 ninatons whithout resorting to universal
DeleteNo lmfao. It’s not easy to debunk this. This blog essentially debunks all arguments against Universal Star. So just deal with it cause your arguments won’t work.
Delete1.) Steven is far stronger than Star, He was able to lift Spinels injector in his base form WHILE IN A WEAKENED STATE, star in her butterfly form could only lift a food truck.
Delete2.) Most of stars spells are projectile based which Stevens shield or bubble (which can take on any size or shape he wants) could block and reflect. Stevens spit also allows him to heal any wounds and can create an army of plant Stevens which can fight by his side.
3.) Star can survive being smashed through walls, and a bus exploding, but steven has survived falling over a hundred feet without his powers and being crushed by yellow diamond, plus his bubble could withstand spinels injector exploding. at best star could knock Steven unconscious, but then he could just posses her with his mental abilities.
4.) Star may have more years of experience and has been in way more fights that Steven, but steven has had better teachers and has fought and defeated Jasper twice (who has thousands of years of combat experience, fought in 1000 year war, and completely OBLITERATED a tree with a single punch.)
5.) Both of them have dodged lasers before but Steven has dodged them more consistently and can move so fast that time appears slowed down, and while star DOES have a spell that FREEZES time which on paper sounds far more impressive than slowing down time, it should be noted that Stars spells take time to cast as they require specific movements and incantations where Steven can use his powers instantly. Steven could just move so fast he could kill star before she finishes her time freeze spell (or any spell for that matter)
6) Already with the denied, the universal level, even if they try to take the spell to destroy the planet, that difference exists ... but it is still not enough to destroy a planet as I said before, it takes 56 zettatones to 17.7 yottatones of TNT to destroy one and the calculation of the 2 Tenatons because even I calculated it a year ago for my version of the battle and it is correct, it is dwarf star level, therefore, enough to surpass the beam, apart from that Steven scales to the diamonds and beat them in the end.
7.) Alright, A lot of people say Star should be universal because one of the queens destroyed a universe with a spell, and it's said that each queen is stronger than the last, However, there's two issues with that. One is that the spell was only made when that queen was under sever mental stress and was never stated to do it again. The other is that Star isn't a descendant from the original Butterfly bloodline and can't be scaled. This is proven when she lost to Metiora (who was an original descendant of the butterfly line and had no combat or magical training). Steven on the other hand, can be scaled to the other Gems due to beating Jasper, and the diamonds when Pink Steven beat them with complete ease.
Delete7.5.) now to be fair, Baby did say stars magic was similar to eclipse, but even if we WERE to scale star to the old bloodline it wouldn't really matter. Everyone thinks star is universal because there's a spell in the book that can do that. just because its in the book doesn't automatically mean she knows it. i doubt she leaned EVERY spell but even if she did, when did star exactly LEARN this spell, she had the book for only 2 seasons before it was stolen by ludo then destroyed by toffee, it wasn't until midway through season 4 when Eclipsa repaired it, but even then star didn't take the book back. So we have to assume she (for whatever reason) decided to learn (and master) this super advanced spell at some point during the first 2 seasons, which is very unlikely. she was still pretty inexperienced, in the episode baby she didn't even know basic magic and that episode happened AFTER ludo stole the book so she literally had no opportunity to learn that spell. And probably never again since the magic was destroyed at the end of series. I'm sure star had the potential to be just as (if not more) powerful than the previous queens and by adulthood would have definitely reached that, but unfortunately the truth is she canonically never had an opportunity and now never will. But even if your still not convinced, even if we STILL were to give star the spell i already stated steven could just speed blitz her before she could cast any of her spells.
Yes, i've looked into these supposed Universe Feats myself, but... I can't see ALL of Star's Magic Spells being oh so effective as Universal, or having the same Potency in each blow. Not that it would much matter, since Steven at the moment holds Four Key Advantages over Star. AP and DC Higher than Star's Durability, A Shield and Bubble to counter the weaker magic spells, and a very VERY heavy Speed Advantage. Thanks to Steven's speed advantage, not only would Star be unable to Hit Steven before he dealt a deadly blow, but even if Star could hit Steven, it would likely be a weaker shot, not one of these supposed Universal Hits, and Steven would easily absorb the hit thanks to his Shield and Bubble. No she can’t. Skywynne Butterfly is the only character to have canonically destroyed a dimension with the Royal Wand. Star herself has never shown any power that scales to this. She has canonically used Her entire magical essence at once against Meteora And it hardly was able to destroy Butterfly castle’s throneroom.
DeleteStar being “universal” is a flawed statement that has been picked up by people who have simply heard it and gone along with it and not seen the show. I have seen the show twice, I’m re-watching a third time, and I own the Canon Magic Book of Spells. I know my stuff, and Star loses this fight. Death Battle will do it for their season 8 lineup, and their Results will mirror mine. don't really see Star winning this one, Pink Steven is faster than Star by several orders of magnitude and he's much stronger as well, and his shields reflective properties would send back any deadly spells sent his way. the only two spells that would be a legitimate threat to Steven are the Mega-Explosive Crystal Laser (to bad she only uses it as a Cat Toy) or Winter Storm Hyper Blow (assuming Steven doesn't use a bubble shield) the thing is Stevens massive speed and strength advantage could let him one shot Star before she does anything, and Butterfly mode wouldn't change that. Star cannot use the time freezing spell anymore, Father Time starts it right back up. and the Whispering Spell is a ritual where you whisper the same words over and over again, plenty of time for Steven to punch Star away, ot even just use a bubble shield, heck if Steven is feeling lethal he could even take her out with a spike bubble shield. Besides it should be noted that Steven is immune to that as DB said since as such it is not magic, but good alien powers and even so, it took time and could not destroy the magic in fact, it was far from achieving it.
Ok. First off, Steven is physically superior to Star in every category. Star's greatest display of strength was lifting a nine ton truck in her strongest form, while Steven lifted a gem injector the size of a small building while in a weakened state. Star could dodge lasers and flew fast enough to keep up with a dragon-motorcycle, but Steven has dodged lasers more consistently and ran so fast, time appeared to be slowing down. Star was able to survive being smashed through walls and walked off a bus explosion, but Steven survived getting hit with 150'000 tons of forces, getting crushed by a diamond's foot, and falling over a hundred feet without his powers. Experience is pretty even. Star has more actual experience, but Steven had the better teachers. Now for Star's magic and Steven's powers. Steven's powers seem to be tailor-made to counter Star's. His shield, bubbles, and barriers can deflect any of Star's long-ranged spells, and his shield can emit shockwaves that nullify powers, as seen when he went up against Pearl, Lapis, and Yellow Diamond. Hallucinations could be countered by Steven's mental links. His ability to give plants sentience could allow him more help, and his healing factor and spit can mend any wounds almost instantly. The only spell that could be problematic is Easy Peasy Time Freezie, but I'm looking at this for the big picture of who would most likely win.
Alternate forms are also a category Steven has over Star. True, Star has better control over her butterfly form, but Steven's alternate forms are more powerful than the butterfly form. Now for the issue everyone brings up. Scaling. Ok. A lot of people say Star should be universal via scaling to the other Butterfly family line since one of the princesses destroyed a universe with a spell, and it's said that each queen is stronger than the last. However, there's two issues with that. One is that that spell was only made when that queen was under sever mental stress and was never stated to do it again. The other is that Star isn't a descendent from the original Butterfly bloodline and can't be scaled. This is actually shown when she lost to Metiora, an original descendent of the butterfly line who had no combat or magical training. Steven, on the other hand, can actually be consistently scaled to the other Crystal Gems via beating Jasper, and the diamonds after Pink Steven, who is basically an unrestrained Steven, beat them with complete ease.
DeleteSo there's my reasons why I think Steven would most likely win. To be honest, it's flawed to assume Omnitraxus has nearly as much power as his title and form suggest; the Magic High Commission would have far fewer problems if that was the case. The fact that he always enters fights physically and just throws hands or makes some shields out of himself implies that he doesn't have much - or any - control over time and space, aside from his own body. In particular, his fight with Globgor shows that even just physical force is enough to match him if you use a lot of it. I’ve done a bit of analysis myself, and I believe that Steven does win, but it’s much closer than it seems. Star’s best destructive feats are when she self destructed the wand and blew up Ludo’s castle, and when she concentrated all of her magic into one big explosion that severely hurt Meteora. Steven’s tanked stuff like that before, such as the injector’s explosion and the laser from Jasper’s hand ship. Star is likely more maneuverable than Steven while in her Mewberty form due to her dimensional portals that she can fly through, and she has a tad bit more training, but Steven’s offensive power displayed when he shattered Jasper or lifted the injector completely demolishes Star’s below average durability.
Bring in Monster Steven, and Steven wins 9/10 times.
Finally, I respect their tastes but the courteousness does not take away the bravery. As well as a huge fan of both shows, even more of SVTFOE, I acknowledge that this simply cannot have ended like this.
The true winner is Steven Universe.
Nope :) They already debunked your debunking. Lmao nice try.
Delete"Star doesn't scale to previous original Queen bloodlines"
Nope, she does; it's explicitly revealed that ANYONE who wields the Butterfly Wand will scale to those Queens, and the blog already pointed out that Meteora did not beat Star, they actually tied. Read it again.
"Most of stars spells are projectile based which Stevens shield or bubble (which can take on any size or shape he wants) could block and reflect. Stevens spit also allows him to heal any wounds and can create an army of plant Stevens which can fight by his side."
Cool, Star can also heal w/ magic and can summon Warnicornes Stampedes and Spider with a Top-hat (which > plant Stevens in power and efficiency). Also, Star's stronger lasers can smash right through Steven's shield, as it's been pierced by much weaker attacks than Star's greatest magic like the Diamond's casual attacks (they literally even showed a clip of Yellow Diamond literally stomping through the shield). So nope, the shield won't reflect everything, it's not 100% invincible and Star has magic powerful enough to smash through it :).
"Star can survive being smashed through walls, and a bus exploding, but steven has survived falling over a hundred feet without his powers and being crushed by yellow diamond, plus his bubble could withstand spinels injector exploding. at best star could knock Steven unconscious, but then he could just posses her with his mental abilities."
Nope. Star can ALSO conjure her own shields (which are ironically powerful enough to block strikes from Meteora who ALSO scales to Skywynne and Eclipsa's Universe-busting power... lol) and she has plenty of magic counters to Steven messing with her mind. Checkmate there.
"Star may have more years of experience and has been in way more fights that Steven, but steven has had better teachers and has fought and defeated Jasper twice (who has thousands of years of combat experience, fought in 1000 year war, and completely OBLITERATED a tree with a single punch.)"
Lmao obliterating a tree is weak af when Star can casually blow up houses without meaning to and has fought Toffee who ALSO has thousands of years of experience among other experienced enemies, Steven fighting foes like Jasper means jack squat when Star has fought foes just as experienced and even stronger than those Steven fought. Debunked.
"Both of them have dodged lasers before but Steven has dodged them more consistently and can move so fast that time appears slowed down, and while star DOES have a spell that FREEZES time which on paper sounds far more impressive than slowing down time, it should be noted that Stars spells take time to cast as they require specific movements and incantations where Steven can use his powers instantly. Steven could just move so fast he could kill star before she finishes her time freeze spell (or any spell for that matter)"
DeleteNope. Star can perform spells extremely quickly just like Dr. Strange, and her flight & transportation magic means she can consistently stay a safe distance from Steven as she fights even with his superior speed (which the original episode already mentioned). Too bad.
"Already with the denied, the universal level, even if they try to take the spell to destroy the planet, that difference exists ... but it is still not enough to destroy a planet as I said before, it takes 56 zettatones to 17.7 yottatones of TNT to destroy one and the calculation of the 2 Tenatons because even I calculated it a year ago for my version of the battle and it is correct, it is dwarf star level, therefore, enough to surpass the beam, apart from that Steven scales to the diamonds and beat them in the end."
Nope. Even then Star has spells which can destroy universes which >>>>>>>>> destroying a small star. Quite arrogant of you to simply presume your calculaton is correct with no proof, so that's also overruled. Too bad.
"Alright, A lot of people say Star should be universal because one of the queens destroyed a universe with a spell, and it's said that each queen is stronger than the last, However, there's two issues with that. One is that the spell was only made when that queen was under sever mental stress and was never stated to do it again. The other is that Star isn't a descendant from the original Butterfly bloodline and can't be scaled. This is proven when she lost to Metiora (who was an original descendant of the butterfly line and had no combat or magical training). Steven on the other hand, can be scaled to the other Gems due to beating Jasper, and the diamonds when Pink Steven beat them with complete ease."
Nope; the blog already proved that anyone who holds the Wand long enough indeed scales to the original bloodline of Queens, including Star who Baby (the Butterfly family's trusted magic evaluator for centuries) EXPLICITLY compared to Eclipsa's power which is ALSO proven to be superior to Skywynne's as Baby also stated Eclipsa's magic power surpassed all other Queens (Moon, Estrella, and yes even Skywynne) EXCEPT Star. So, Star > or = Eclipsa > Skywynne > Universe-level. And no, Meteora did not beat Star, the blog already showed they tied. Deal with it :).
"now to be fair, Baby did say stars magic was similar to eclipse, but even if we WERE to scale star to the old bloodline it wouldn't really matter. Everyone thinks star is universal because there's a spell in the book that can do that. just because its in the book doesn't automatically mean she knows it. i doubt she leaned EVERY spell but even if she did, when did star exactly LEARN this spell, she had the book for only 2 seasons before it was stolen by ludo then destroyed by toffee, it wasn't until midway through season 4 when Eclipsa repaired it, but even then star didn't take the book back. So we have to assume she (for whatever reason) decided to learn (and master) this super advanced spell at some point during the first 2 seasons, which is very unlikely. she was still pretty inexperienced, in the episode baby she didn't even know basic magic and that episode happened AFTER ludo stole the book so she literally had no opportunity to learn that spell. And probably never again since the magic was destroyed at the end of series. I'm sure star had the potential to be just as (if not more) powerful than the previous queens and by adulthood would have definitely reached that, but unfortunately the truth is she canonically never had an opportunity and now never will. But even if your still not convinced, even if we STILL were to give star the spell i already stated steven could just speed blitz her before she could cast any of her spells."
DeleteNope :) What a piss-poor argument XD you say that just because it's not shown that Star read the book that she doesn't know the spell? How ridiculous... nope, she does know it :) in fact, it's EXPLICITLY TOLD TO US that she studied Skywynne's chapter before the book was stolen, you'd have to be an idiot to argue she didn't know it especially because the universe-destroying spell isn't even a complicated ritual, all Skywynne did was just charge up emotional and magical energy and then blasted it out Kamehameha-style (and nope, she was not under severe stress, she literally just casually wanted to open a planet but ended up destroying a universe instead). So you are wrong, she did have an opportunity to learn the spell and saying "well magic doesn't exist anymore" is retarded because DB takes the combatants at their absolute best which means that yes, Star does have magic and we're explicitly told she studied Skywynne's chapter of the book which contained that spell (the episode "Baby" just revealed she's undisciplined at using magic, not bad at it which even Baby herself concedes as she eventually gives Star a fair passing grade that Star earned fair and square). Also nope, he does not blitz, even you stated Star also dodged lasers which puts her at roughly comparable speed to Steven, even if Steven is faster there's no way he's any more than 2 or 3 times faster which cannot blitz (especially thanks to Star's transportation magic which lets her move even faster). This attempted debunk is also debunked. Deal with it.
"Yes, i've looked into these supposed Universe Feats myself, but... I can't see ALL of Star's Magic Spells being oh so effective as Universal, or having the same Potency in each blow. Not that it would much matter, since Steven at the moment holds Four Key Advantages over Star. AP and DC Higher than Star's Durability, A Shield and Bubble to counter the weaker magic spells, and a very VERY heavy Speed Advantage. Thanks to Steven's speed advantage, not only would Star be unable to Hit Steven before he dealt a deadly blow, but even if Star could hit Steven, it would likely be a weaker shot, not one of these supposed Universal Hits, and Steven would easily absorb the hit thanks to his Shield and Bubble. No she can’t. Skywynne Butterfly is the only character to have canonically destroyed a dimension with the Royal Wand. Star herself has never shown any power that scales to this. She has canonically used Her entire magical essence at once against Meteora And it hardly was able to destroy Butterfly castle’s throneroom."
DeleteWrong. Most of what Star uses through the series is her weaker magic because ofc she won't use universe-destroying energy on much weaker threats (lmao expecting her to use universe-destroying magic on building-level foes is like expecting someone to use a rocket launcher against a mosquito, so this point is wrong af). Also wrong, as Toffee USING STAR'S MAGIC explicitly one-hit KO'd a living universe (Omnitraxus Prime), so in fact yes, we do have instance of Star's magic destroying a universe. And no, you don't get to cry out "but that wasn't Star doing it!", lol it doesn't matter as it was still Star's power doing it exactly like how it was base Naruto's chakra that blew open the hollow Moon even if Naruto himself wasn't doing it. Checkmate and overruled.
"Star being “universal” is a flawed statement that has been picked up by people who have simply heard it and gone along with it and not seen the show. I have seen the show twice, I’m re-watching a third time, and I own the Canon Magic Book of Spells. I know my stuff, and Star loses this fight. Death Battle will do it for their season 8 lineup, and their Results will mirror mine. don't really see Star winning this one, Pink Steven is faster than Star by several orders of magnitude and he's much stronger as well, and his shields reflective properties would send back any deadly spells sent his way. the only two spells that would be a legitimate threat to Steven are the Mega-Explosive Crystal Laser (to bad she only uses it as a Cat Toy) or Winter Storm Hyper Blow (assuming Steven doesn't use a bubble shield) the thing is Stevens massive speed and strength advantage could let him one shot Star before she does anything, and Butterfly mode wouldn't change that. Star cannot use the time freezing spell anymore, Father Time starts it right back up. and the Whispering Spell is a ritual where you whisper the same words over and over again, plenty of time for Steven to punch Star away, ot even just use a bubble shield, heck if Steven is feeling lethal he could even take her out with a spike bubble shield. Besides it should be noted that Steven is immune to that as DB said since as such it is not magic, but good alien powers and even so, it took time and could not destroy the magic in fact, it was far from achieving it."
DeleteNope, you clearly have not watched the show, as you have been wrong about a lot of things here XD what ridiculousness. Does not matter that Star can't perform that one time-freezing spell, as it was only one spell that affected the entire multiverse - however, Star has MANY ways to affect time differently, such as implementing time lopps, reversing time or slowing it down like Steven, she does not need that one specific spell Easy Peasy Time Freezie to manipulate time as the Wand has plenty of other ways to affect time. Overruled. And nope, we already pointed out that Steven doesn't blitz and in fact there is enough evidence that Star is Universal (we already debunked your debunking that she isn't, so don't try that lol) which indeed means she can blast through his shield. Also nope, does not matter that he can one-shot Star :) he would have to get in close to do that, but 1) he can't because Star has her own speed and has transport magic to stay a good distance from him even if he's somewhat faster, and 2) Star has her own magic shields comparable to Steven's (and nope, you can't say Steven's shield > Star's shield because Star's shield literally withstood hits from Meteora who is also comparable to Skywynne and Eclipsa who can bust universes which >>>> Steven's shield taking hits from the Diamonds). Also, we already went over how Steven not being magical doesn't matter since Star has plenty of power to destroy him and his shield anyway, so saying "Steven is immune to whispering spell!!1" doesn't matter. Overruled.
"Ok. First off, Steven is physically superior to Star in every category. Star's greatest display of strength was lifting a nine ton truck in her strongest form, while Steven lifted a gem injector the size of a small building while in a weakened state. Star could dodge lasers and flew fast enough to keep up with a dragon-motorcycle, but Steven has dodged lasers more consistently and ran so fast, time appeared to be slowing down. Star was able to survive being smashed through walls and walked off a bus explosion, but Steven survived getting hit with 150'000 tons of forces, getting crushed by a diamond's foot, and falling over a hundred feet without his powers. Experience is pretty even. Star has more actual experience, but Steven had the better teachers. Now for Star's magic and Steven's powers. Steven's powers seem to be tailor-made to counter Star's. His shield, bubbles, and barriers can deflect any of Star's long-ranged spells, and his shield can emit shockwaves that nullify powers, as seen when he went up against Pearl, Lapis, and Yellow Diamond. Hallucinations could be countered by Steven's mental links. His ability to give plants sentience could allow him more help, and his healing factor and spit can mend any wounds almost instantly. The only spell that could be problematic is Easy Peasy Time Freezie, but I'm looking at this for the big picture of who would most likely win."
DeleteLmao nope, doesn't matter that Steven is physically superior, even DB mentioned it but they proved how it doesn't matter because Star's magic is much stronger than Steven physically and her own defensive magic (especially her shield) can stop Steven's offensive power dead in its tracks. All of Steven's best durability pale in comparison to Star's offense (lol surviving 150,000 tons or falling off a cliff is nothing to blowing up planets and universes, checkmate there), and nope, Steven cannot nullify Star's magic as Star's magic works differently than the Gems' powers, so Steven using his shield's shockwaves to try to nullify her power would fail because just like how the whispering spell can't affect non-magic beings, the shield's shockwaves have no evidence that they can affect actual magic like Star's magic. Overruled. Also doesn't matter that Steven can summon plants when Star has plenty of her own summons (again, like the Warnicorns and Tophat Spider) to mow them down and also has healing magic to cancel out Steven's healing. Deal with it.
"Alternate forms are also a category Steven has over Star. True, Star has better control over her butterfly form, but Steven's alternate forms are more powerful than the butterfly form. Now for the issue everyone brings up. Scaling. Ok. A lot of people say Star should be universal via scaling to the other Butterfly family line since one of the princesses destroyed a universe with a spell, and it's said that each queen is stronger than the last. However, there's two issues with that. One is that that spell was only made when that queen was under sever mental stress and was never stated to do it again. The other is that Star isn't a descendent from the original Butterfly bloodline and can't be scaled. This is actually shown when she lost to Metiora, an original descendent of the butterfly line who had no combat or magical training. Steven, on the other hand, can actually be consistently scaled to the other Crystal Gems via beating Jasper, and the diamonds after Pink Steven, who is basically an unrestrained Steven, beat them with complete ease."
DeleteNope, Skywynne wasn't under severe stress :) I already debunked that point, it was explicitly stated that she was actually having a blast and was only casually wanting to open a planet to feel the warmth at its center but ended up destroying the universe, there's nothing showing she was traumatized or highly upset or anything (she WAS thinking about a love interest, but nothing like Steven's angst or PTSD), so that point of yours is also debunked. Steven did match the three Diamonds, but that does not matter as we've already proven that Meteora did not beat Star, they fought to a draw (this is why I'm pretty sure you lied when you said you watched the show, as anyone who watched it would know this but you don't, deal with it), and alongside the fact that ANYONE who wields the Wand for an extended time (which Star did) automatically scales to the power of the original Mewman Queen bloodline, further proves Star is Universe-level.
"To be honest, it's flawed to assume Omnitraxus has nearly as much power as his title and form suggest; the Magic High Commission would have far fewer problems if that was the case. The fact that he always enters fights physically and just throws hands or makes some shields out of himself implies that he doesn't have much - or any - control over time and space, aside from his own body. In particular, his fight with Globgor shows that even just physical force is enough to match him if you use a lot of it."
DeleteNope, wrong :) we know for a fact Omnitraxus is a living universe, as characters have literally entered his form and found that inside it is indeed an entire separate universe. And ofc you can match Omnitraxus with force, as enough physical force can indeed destroy a universe (lmao you act like you need hax to destroy a universe when in fact many characters in fiction can destroy universes with just physical force like Beerus or Green Lantern). Also, it actually doesn't matter if Omnitraxus is really powerful, what REALLY matters is his durability which we know is universe-level because he himself is literally a living universe just like how Mogo has planet-level durability due to being a living planet, so Star's magic one-hit KO-ing him is proof of universe-destroying power even if Omnitraxus himself doesn't have universe-level AP (which he does since Globgor matching him in strength does not mean he isn't universe-level, and no the Magic High Commission would not have far fewer problems since obviously there are many universe-level beings in the SVTFOE multiverse if the many universe-busting Queens are any sign) since it's Omnitraxus' durability that matters, and you'd be an idiot to argue that Omnitraxus isn't universe-level in durability as he is irrefutably a living universe similar to Alien X having a universe inside him. Star having low physical durability does not matter again, because she has her own defensive magic which can easily block/counter Steven's best offense (Star's shields tanking hits from Meteora who scales to Eclipsa and Skywynne >>>> Steven beating Jasper or lifting the injector, because Jasper punching trees is nothing to Meteora and Meteora's ancestors being able to destroy universes).
Bring in Monster Steven, and Star wins 9/10 times. Overall, you have utterly failed to debunk Star's winning, as all you've done is bring up failed arguments and use baseless conjectures that have no evidence behind them. Star IS indeed universe-level, and the objections against it have been debunked just like your attempted "debunk" here has been itself debunked. All you've proven is that you do not know SVTFOE, and I'm glad the Death Battle results did not mirror your flawed results. You said "Just wait, I'm gonna debunk that too", and you've failed miserably to actually do that.
DeleteThe true winner is Star Butterfly. I know you're just gonna reply with more quote-unquote "dEbUnKs" to try to counter these, but you'll fail, as this blog has itself already debunked your attempted debunking even before you tried (lmao seriously, did you even read it? Guess not, unlike the rest of us). Deal with it, bye-bye and curb your saltiness.
Man people still salty star won deal with it
DeleteSeñoras y señores me acaban de funar, increiblemente por wankers de Star
DeleteTambien por llamar mitomano a Ultraguy
Se acaba mi vida virtual
Estoy hasta los huevos de desmentir a DJ y Strunton
Cuando simplemente no dejan hablar
En vez de intentarme expresar
Me tratan de fanboy cuando soy mas fan de Star xd
Funado, funado~
Estoy funado, por desmentir cosas sacadas de contexto
Funado, funado~
Estoy funado!
Estoy funado si señor xd
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Ladies and gentlemen I was just canceled, incredibly by Star Wankers
Also for calling Ultraguy mythomaniac
My virtual life is over
I'm fed up to deny DJ Tikki and Strunton
When they just won't stop talking
Instead of trying to express myself
They treat me as a fanboy when I'm more of a Star fan xd
canceled, canceled ~
I am canceled, for denying things taken out of context
canceled, canceled ~
I am canceled!
I am canceled, yes sir xd
What no one was even talking to you
Delete^^ Nah not cancelled, you just got owned for being the Steven wanker you were XD deal with it.
DeleteI come from the future, I changed the ending into an animation xd I liked the original battle, I will not lie but the best of a battle is a correct result, and well, I did that
ReplyDeleteNope, you failed XD Star is already the correct winner, so I guess you changed nothing. Lmao guess the future doesn't have much intelligent people XD oh well, deal with it loser.
DeleteI also hope you're not the same "Unknown" user who made that weird, cringy poem about being cancelled like the incel that user is, because that was just pathetic. If that WASN'T you, well then, shame on you for being so unoriginally similar to a fanboy so salty they wrote a poem about getting stomped in a debate. Oof.
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