Sunday, June 5, 2022

Suggested Media: Hercules vs Sun Wukong


Greek Mythos (Heracles Specific Stories) -

Sources for Greek Mythology, philosophers, and its cosmology.

Other Important Sources 

Actual Book Readings (gasp reading)
Robert Graves - The Greek Myths (Complete Edition)
Apollodorus, Michael Simpson, Leonard Baskin - Gods and Heroes of the Greeks (The Library of Apollodorus) (1976)

For Fun

-Disney Hercules (1997) (yes, it’s nothing like the actual myth, but it’s still great)

-Marvel Hercules

-Parcast’s Mythology series on Hercules

-Mythological web comics

-Young Hercules (1998) starring Ryan Gosling

Sun Wukong

Journey to the West (1592)

Note: The two translations of Journey to the West we used for research are Anthony C. Yu’s 4 volume translation, and the translation on 

The original Chinese text for Journey to the West can be found here.  

A Supplement to Journey to the West (AKA Tower of Myriad Mirrors) (1641) 

Sources for Journey to the West’s cosmological concepts 

For Fun

-Lego Monkie Kid (seriously, watch it)

-Journey to the West TV Series (1986) 

-Havoc in Heaven (1964)

-Parcast’s Mythology series on Sun Wukong

-Dragon Ball (1984)

Greek 101 
My 100 page rant on how Hades was actually a pretty chill dude and why he's been SLANDERED and MISREPRESENTED in media. Cept for this guy apparently.
Wait it Heracles not Hercules?


  1. please don't forget about Lychoprhon's Alexandra in your Hercules research
    Hercules scales to Zeus

    1. How much exactly and based on what feat

    2. During a War between the Gods and the Giants, there is a prophecy about how the Gods will be led by a mortal with the power to content with the Giants. That mortal is Heracles.
      He's also fought Hades in some versions of his own myths, who's directly compared to Zeus/Jupiter.

    3. I don't think he has ever fought hades. Maybe you mean thanatos

    4. No, It is Hades.

  2. I'm really looking forward to this. Quick question: Will you guys incorporate Plato's Theory of Forms into the Greek God scaling?

  3. As fan of Sun Wukong, I recommend other media (non-canon) like "Boku no Son Goku"(ぼくの孫悟空) and "Hong Haier: Juezhan Huoyanshan"(紅孩兒:決戰火燄山)
    Although not well known internationally, but they are still great media for original novel.

  4. I hope the researchers for this episode see my comment. The following info comes from my research blog (thank you for linking to it above):

    Subodhi teaches the 72 transformations to Monkey with the expressed purpose of helping him hide from three calamities of cosmic lightning, fire, and wind sent by heaven to destroy immortals for defying fate and achieving eternal life. But beyond the power of metamorphosis, the novel implies that the ability also grants the user multiple lives (similar to a video game), which might serve as a buffer against the calamities. For example, in chapter 41, after Sun passes out from Red Boy‘s fiery attack, Zhu Bajie reassures everyone by saying: “If he is capable of seventy-two transformations, he has seventy-two lives” (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 2, p. 232). Also, in chapter 46, Monkey magically regrows his head after being non-fatally beheaded in a contest of magical skill. Sha Wujing remarks: “If he knows seventy-two ways of transformation, … he may have altogether seventy-two heads!” (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 2, p. 308). [7] In addition, while not directly related to the primate hero, the Bull Demon King is said in chapter 61 to also know the 72 changes (Wu & Yu, 2012, vol. 3, p. 148). He uses the extra lives to survive being beheaded by Prince Nezha a number of times:

    "[Nezha] leaped onto the bull’s back and brought his monster-cleaving sword down on the bull’s neck: the bull was beheaded at once. Putting away his scimitar, the devaraja was about to greet [Sun Wukong] when another head emerged from the torso of the bull, his mouth belching black air and his eyes beaming golden rays. [Nezha] lifted his sword once more and cut off the bull’s head; as soon as it dropped to the ground, another head came out. It went on like this more than ten times. At last, [Nezha] took out his fiery wheel and hung it on the Bull’s horn. The wheel at once started a great blaze of true immortal fire, which burned so fiercely that the bull began to growl and roar madly, shaking his head and wagging his tail" (Wu & Yu, vol. 3, p. 160).

    Interestingly, I noted in the past how this episode is similar to Hercules' battle with the Hydra.