I wanted to give my thoughts on Danganronpa 3 for a long time and I figured now would be a good chance since I'm getting back into the series. Originally it was just gonna be a general review of the anime. But I had trouble keeping a neutral focus, so it kind of devolved into more of a list of common narrative flaws and my thoughts regarding them. I hope it doesn’t come off as too negative since I know the fandom can be seen as toxic in a few places.
Note: Also since I don’t normally post on Reddit. I will mention that I’m not sure if some of the links provided are allowed there, but the main point of the blog is the written content, and I needed an easy place to link to for quick references. I can potentially change out the links if needed though.
My thoughts on Danganronpa 3 as a concept
Now to be fair I don't think Kodaka is the only person who can write Danganronpa well. The light novels Danganronpa Kirigiri and Danganronpa IF were both written by separate authors and were both well received. But it seems like an odd decision that the “sequel” meant to end the main game's ongoing storyline doesn't have a single episode written by the person who conceptualized the franchise in the first place.
- List of info regarding who wrote the series https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/buw5a1/who_wrote_danganronpa_3/ And https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/53rdmp/an_amendment_to_the_other_psa_kodaka_did_not/
For one, splitting Danganronpa 3 into two separate anime series cuts its fairly generous 24 episode count in half. This means that each arc has a ridiculously short amount of time to tell its story, which is a problem since a mystery series like Danganronpa needs ample time to get its points across.
The intertwining nature of both series can also create an almost impossible balancing act. The future arc needs to tell a compelling killing game storyline that wraps up the plotlines of the original DR1 characters but also gives prominence to the new future foundation members. The despair arch needs to give a believable explanation for a complex multilayered plan Junko created to take over the world. As well as give a spotlight to the DR2 cast and build up characters/plots from the future arc. I don’t think most authors could pull this off well, let alone 6 who are only being supervised.
It always struck me as odd that Danganronpa 3 was an anime and not a visual novel. Yeah, there’s probably a decent amount of overlap in terms of media consumption in the fanbase. But most of the fans come to Danganronpa for its mystery-solving and sim mechanics. It would be like if Halo 3 was a live-action movie instead of a video game.
General criticisms and thoughts on the anime
So they had to change the killing game rules this time around in order to facilitate the shorter episode count of the future arc. Essentially everyone wears a bangle that can inject them with a sleeping agent or a poison. Every few hours the characters are put to sleep and then one of them will awaken to become the “attacker” and kill one of the remaining members. It’s implied when the game starts that there’s only one attacker and that said attacker is a traitor. Each character also has a character-specific rule called a “forbidden action”. If you perform your forbidden action you get injected with the bangles poison and you die. For example, Makoto can’t run in the halls, Juzo can’t punch people, etc etc. The game is won if everyone gets through a single round without anyone being killed.
- The rules being explained 2:17 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-2
- Forbidden actions being explained 9:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-2
- Makoto’s forbidden action is her can’t run in the hallways 13:26 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-2
On a whole, I prefer the more traditional Danganronpa trial setup, but I think this rendition of the killing game works fine. It’s very reminiscent of Zero escape,(another series made by Spike Chunsoft) and puts the main protag Makoto out of his element since it basically devolves into a battle royal. The game also has an interesting plot twist in that it's revealed that there is no attacker.
Essentially every sleeping period the person closest to a TV monitor wakes up and is lured into watching a brainwashing video that invokes them to commit suicide. The ultimate detective Kyoko figures this out from a combination of the locations of bodies, the location of monitors and the fact all the fatal injuries are only in places the victim can easily reach. It's fairly well foreshadowed if you're paying attention to the same clues as Kyoko, although some of the positions characters end up in after dying come off as ridicules for self-mutilation(impaled n a chandelier, strung up in electrical cords, etc). The game eventually ends after the characters find a hidden room that controls the building's power, allowing them to shut off the monitors.
- Whoever was closest to a monitor got woken up and shown the suicide video 11:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-11
- Juzo ends the game turning off the power in the secret room 18:47 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-11
- Turning off the power got rid of the bangles 20:43 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-11
But for some reason, the possibility of trying to find loopholes to escape the situation isn’t brought up until several episodes in. Not even by Kyoko, who was constantly experimenting with ways to break DR1s killing game. Granted the future foundation is seemingly more dysfunctional due to the stress of the apocalypse, but it still comes off as scatterbrained.
- Makoto realizes they don’t have to play Monkumas game 15:21 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-6
“If you tell your audience there's a bomb under the table, and then your character gets stabbed by a killer clown, you don't win because your audience is going... what!?”
~Overly sarcastic productions
- Tengan says violence is not the answer 13:54 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-2
- Tengan tells Hajime he shouldn’t go through with the Izuru project 9:56 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-2
- Tengan fighting to protect others 5:35 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-4
- Tengan fights Mutakata to protect Makoto 13:47 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-4
- Tengan left Mitarai a video saying he was worried about the state of the world if humanity couldn’t overcome despair 1:48 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- It’s stated the game was set up so it could work without live footage or direct input 12:43 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-11
- It's stated that the game is not being broadcast 18:20 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-6
- It is stated Monokuma’s videos are recordings 6:30 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-11
- It is revealed the characters are in an underground replica of the future foundation building 2:05 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-9
- Kyoko says they were moved to a building under the original 4:21 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-9
- Makoto thinks the lack of broadcast was due to it not mattering how Mitarai found out about the killing game 10:36 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- It’s established that before the killing game started that all of the security teams in the original future foundation building were murdered. It’s never explained how this was accomplished or if Tengan somehow did it without getting caught.
- It can be assumed Tengan carried everyone underground and set the original building to explode himself. The amount of time it would have taken him to do this wouldn’t have been insignificant, even if the bombs were placed ahead of time. Makoto's meeting was supposed to be pretty important. So somebody should have noticed if there was a 30-60 minute interval of complete radio silence from one of their most important locations.
- Mitarai has no reason to be in the game at ALL. To be fair it’s stated that Tengan wasn’t expecting him to show up to Makoto’s trial(He just came anyway despite not being invited for some reason). But Tengan didn’t have to take him into the building underground when everyone else was knocked out. Since the entire point of the game is to force Mitarai into using the hope video, him dying would invalidate the plan.
- It’s implied Mitarai wasn’t supposed to be at the meeting about Makoto11:28 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- On that note If Mitarai wasn’t supposed to be in the game, why wouldn’t Tengan broadcast the game or at least record footage of it. If the whole point was to break Mitarai’s spirit, allowing him to actually see footage would have had a much greater effect than being told after the fact.
- Additionally, if nobody was going to see what happened during the events of the killing game anyway, Tengan may as well have just killed all the participants when they were initially knocked out. Either that or just have shown them all the suicide video all at once. It really doesn’t matter how they die, and most of the participants kill themselves anyway.
- Why didn’t Tengan just “force” Mitarai to use the hope video or steal it from him? Munakata even points out stealing it would have been easier. Granted, the story tries to frame this as Tengan getting old and wanting somebody to willingly succeed him, but it's a pretty flimsy excuse.
- Munakata asks why Tengan didn’t steal the video. Apparently, he wanted to push Mitarai to be his successor 11:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- How does the underground future foundation building even exist? It’s established multiple times that Munakata oversaw the building's construction and that it was originally meant to be an overseas campus. Even if Tengan is the foundation chairman, he shouldn’t have been able to make such major modifications without anyone knowing.
- It’s stated Monukata constructed the future foundation building himself 5:25 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-1
- Munukata is shown making the future foundation building 5:55 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-2
- It’s stated the future foundation building was repurposed from an overseas campus 6:18 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-3
- The future foundation building is stated to have been designed and built by Munakata 0:25 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-4
- Tengan gives himself a forbidden action that prevents him from lying. Why would he do that? If anyone asked him the right question about the killing game his role in setting it up could be revealed.
- Tengan’s forbidden action is Lying 18:32 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-5
- Tengan gave Mitarai a forbidden action that prevented him from using his “talent” as the ultimate animator. This is probably so he couldn’t use the hope video on his phone to brainwash the participants and avert the killing game. But Mitarai’s video was already complete by the time the killing game started. Even if Mitarai himself couldn’t use the video, couldn’t he just hand his phone to somebody else and tell them to use it.
- Mitarai’s forbidden action is stated to be using his animation talent 7:48 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- For that matter because of the way the game is set up(with characters killing themselves via the suicide video). The only way to actually end it was to shut off the building's power, which was hidden in a secret room. What if the characters just never found this room? I’m sure statistically the game would still end eventually, but the longer the game goes on the greater the chance of Mitarai dying.
- How did Tengan even know Mitarai had a hope brainwashing video to begin with? Mitarai seemingly didn’t tell anyone about it and while Tengan was aware of other brainwashing videos, he was never directly told Mitarai was working on a new one.
- Kyoko figured out a decent amount of how the killing game worked partway through the animes runtime. If she alerted people to the fact the monitors were the problem early on, the game might not have even escalated.
- During his fight with Munakata, Tengan seemingly enraged him for no reason. Why do this when he’s the biggest danger to the rest of the group, including Mitarai.
- Why was this game even necessary? It was already established that the tragedy was winding down in both DR2 and Ultra Despair Girls. The future foundation was already winning without needing the hope video. Granted maybe Tengan thought peace wouldn’t last regardless, but it’s not well explained.
- It’s stated the tragedy was calming down in DR2 https://youtu.be/dsQ2Q_la4HA?t=7371
- Kodaka mentions he didn’t like Tengan being a villain https://jinjojess.tumblr.com/post/152589830553/zetsubou-hen-profiles-iii-mitarai-and-friends-so
- Chisa gives Tengan a flash drive with the despair and suicide videos 0:30 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- Mitarai suspects that Tegnan went crazy because he saw the original despair brainwashing video 5:19 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- Tengan is shown to be brainwashed in Killer Killer https://static.mangajar.com/pages/2535/129214/lSiuciH8IhgvgmwF8OlIq9u0vC2dkItfSVzhG4mj.webp
Fake-out deaths and plot armor
~An outtake the English dub forgot “to remove
This is a common complaint about the future arc. None of the characters from the previous main games ever seem to be in any real danger. For example, early on the anime tries to make you think Aoi died, but then reveals it to be a fakeout prank from the character Monaca. Several characters outside the main building like Hagakure and Byakuya have some close calls, but always escape unscathed. Monaca outright states an original DR1 cast member is going to die, but the plot doesn’t follow through with it.
- Aoi’s fake-out death 0:13 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-3
- Monaca says a person from the original game would die 15:45 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-7
By the time the future arc comes around this scenario is reversed. Kyoko’s forbidden action is allowing Makoto to live past the 4th sleeping period of the game. Obviously, she doesn’t want to die, but she trusts her friends a lot more at this point. Because of this she’s willing to let her life be sacrificed and holds a firm belief Makoto can resolve the rest of the situation without her help. It’s a really touching moment that closes out her arc and brings some much-needed stakes to the killing game.
- Makoto staying alive past the 4th round is Kyoko’s forbidden action 19:47 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-9
It gets revealed that the ultimate pharmacist Seiko somehow created a countering agent to the fairly unexamined poison in the bangles in the middle of the death game despite spending most of her time fighting with her former best Ruruka. Then Kyoko found this antidote on her body after she died and took it with her on the off chance it helped her before her bangle could activate. She then went into a coma for the rest of the show before being resuscitated by the DR2 cast member Mikan when the cast from that game shows up to save everyone near the end of the series.
- It’s stated cure w delayed the bangle poison and was made during the killing game itself. It put Kyoko in a coma allowing Mikan to revive her 22:14 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-kibou-hen-dub-episode-1
- Seiko holding cure w 19:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-5
- A screenshot of the bottle near Kyoko’s body https://external-preview.redd.it/UaUnSUgUcqgIveQiBFmjEmBwsiLee1AoVme9sWzcvd8.png?auto=webp&s=b62772fa2253899fa92b9a889d5cdf708f20faa2
- The ultimate despair fighting the future foundation 0:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-1
- The ultimate despair mugshots 13:52 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-1
- Sato says Natsumi was tormenting Mahiru in DR2 https://youtu.be/VPkhpZHRGxc?t=1038
- The girls discovering the body in DR2 https://youtu.be/VPkhpZHRGxc?t=368
- The girls refusing to acknowledge they discovered the body in DR2 https://youtu.be/VPkhpZHRGxc?t=926
- Mahiru revealing she knows Sato was the murder via a picture she took https://youtu.be/VPkhpZHRGxc?t=960
- Fuyi=uhiko finds the evidence Mahiru threw out in DR2 https://youtu.be/VPkhpZHRGxc?t=1154
- It being stated Sato was killed in DR2 https://youtu.be/VPkhpZHRGxc?t=1262
Unfortunately, DR3s depiction of these events doesn’t really live up to the hype and changes so many details that the case loses most of its moral complexity.
In DR3 none of the DR2 cast members discover the murder scene, so they’re all absolved of the morally grey decision of not reporting it. Mahiru also never takes any critical pictures of the crime scene and doesn’t know Sato committed the murder either. So she’s absolved of the morally grey decision of covering up a murder to protect her best friend. Fuyihiko apparently still finds out Sato was the culprit and kills her off-screen. But the story doesn’t really dwell on that plot point and is pretty vague as to exactly what happened.
- The events of the murder are altered so Mahiru was less involved and none of the girls saw the body 13:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-3
- Sato is murdered off-screen. Exactly what happened isn’t super elaborated on 17:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-3
- Everyone is depressed over the murders 0:30 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-4
- The interview that says DR2 exaggerated events https://jinjojess.tumblr.com/post/152999978088/zetsubou-hen-profiles-vi-power-duos-as-you-may
- Natsumi is obsessed with getting in the main course 3:55 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-3
- Fuyuhiko mention’s his sister deserved to be the ultimate Yakuza in DR2 https://youtu.be/d0tYK03TKg8?list=PLn3Wm-3X3v7B86VkvLWcMm4UtLtNiR0ot&t=697
- Fuyuhiko states Natsumi had tons of support to become the leader in DR2. She willingly turned down that support https://youtu.be/d0tYK03TKg8?list=PLn3Wm-3X3v7B86VkvLWcMm4UtLtNiR0ot&t=745 ,
- Fuyihiko mentions he’s often compared to his sister in DR2 https://youtu.be/gYK0MRBo4kM?list=PLn3Wm-3X3v7B_gdJT-xhau5fsEeW84WkK&t=188
- Natsumi speaking to Hajime 3:03 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-3
- Fuyihiko mentions her talent was the ultimate little sister in DR2. He doesn’t come off as ironic when he states this https://youtu.be/d0tYK03TKg8?list=PLn3Wm-3X3v7B86VkvLWcMm4UtLtNiR0ot&t=656
- Fuyihiko mentions she got tons of hand towel contracts https://youtu.be/d0tYK03TKg8?list=PLn3Wm-3X3v7B86VkvLWcMm4UtLtNiR0ot&t=690
End of DR2: "I will live on as Hajime Hinata"
DR3: 'Hinata or Kamukura, call me either idc'
So when Hajime wakes up in DR3 after the events of DR2 his personality fuses with Izuru. This results in him having emotions/memories of Hajime, but still having access to all the talents of Izuru.
I initially didn’t have a problem with this, but the implications bothered me the more I thought about it. Hajime’s entire arc was centered around the fact that talent wasn’t everything and he was better off being himself, rather than becoming an inhuman demigod like Izuru. So making his reward for coming to that epiphany, to be having free access to all Izuru’s talents without any downside feels like a contradiction. Granted I guess it's not like Izuru “deserved” to be erased himself, but he’s not exactly a good guy.
This fusion also makes Hajime REALLY OP, to the point that you can justify him doing just about anything. He literally becomes a walking plot device that solves most of the series problems in the final 20 minutes. The only reason why Izuru never had this problem was that he was barely motivated to actually do anything because of his emotionlessness and lack of empathy. I feel like it would have been better for Hajime to either have lost his talents after awakening or having them diminished due to his own mind diluting Izuru’s influence.
- Hajime’s personality and Izuru have fused. Hajime says talented don’t matter even though he saves the day by relying on said talents 1:22 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-kibou-hen-dub-episode-1
- Hajime says he’s both Izuru and Hajime 21:37 https://gogoanime.so/super-danganronpa-2-5-komaeda-nagito-to-sekai-no-hakaimono-episode-1
"Ah shit here we go again"
Yeah, so the student council killing game is a pretty big event in Danganronpa history and is depicted in ep 7 of the despair arc. Junko basically traps the members of Hope's peaks student council in a building and tells them to kill each or her sister Mukuro will slaughter them. To facilitate this goal she gets a ton of blackmail material on each student council member. The ball gets rolling when the student council members Karen breaks down after seeing her mother has been kidnapped and turns on the others
- Junko gets tons of info on the student council off-screen to incentivized the killing game 13:10 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- Karen screws up everything 14:00, 14:55 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
I guess I would also say that since we don't get to know the student council, their deaths have much of an impact outside of the sheer shock value of the violence on display.
~Monaca Towa probably
Anyway, when Makoto defeats Junko at the end of DR1, Monaca sets up a massive revenge plot. She tricks the future foundation into coming to rescue the DR1 captives, before ambushing them and kidnapping the character Byakuya. Then she intentionally allows Makoto’s sister Komaru to escape captivity while holding a weapon effective against her robot army. She spends most of the game steadily building up Komaru’s confidence to fight back against her, and then forces her to make a sadistic choice that could end the lives of thousands or start a new global war. Her ultimate goal was to break Komaru’s spirit and force her to become a successor to Junko. This ultimately doesn’t work, so Monaca decides to become Junko’s successor instead.
Throughout the entire game, Monaca establishes herself as one of the most vicious villains in the series. She manipulates her own allies, tortures people to death, kills thousands of people, lies about being crippled, etc. Her devotion to Junko is also so creepy and over the top, that her entire room has nothing but Junko pictures covering every inch of it. From her prior appearances, you would think she would play a massive role in DR3.
In DR3 Monaca murders, the wheelchair-bound character Miaya, and replaces them with a robot duplicate before the killing game even starts. She then proceeds to act as Makoto’s ally, while gathering information on the future foundation. Partway through the killing game the character Byakuya realizes Miaya is dead and has been replaced. He concludes that Monaca is probably the only villain with the resources to make a robotic duplicate and sends the ultra despair girls protags Toko and Komaru to confront her.
- It’s revealed Monaca is using a robotic double of Miaya 21:56 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-4
- Monaca surrenders and says that despair never seems to win 12:30 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-7
- Monaca says Komeada turned her off the hope vs despair conflict 13:42 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-7
- Monaca she was just lurking on the game and wanted to see Makoto up close 14:35 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-7
- Monaca says she doesn’t know who’s behind the killing game and had nothing to do with it 14:12 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-7
So a lot of things here
- Monaca clearly hated Makoto A LOT because his actions led to Junko’s death. Literally, the entire plot in Despair Girls is stated to be revenge against him. Even if Monaca was tired of the hope/despair conflict, why wouldn’t she kill him when given so many chances to do so.
- Monaca not having any affiliation with the mastermind makes no sense. Right when the game starts she creates a video that’s directly synced to the killing game's introduction video. Where Monokuma exits said the introduction to attack the version of Usami in the control panel of Miaya's wheelchair. This scene cannot exist unless Monaca had prior knowledge about the killing game happening. She can’t even “ hack the system” to make a video on the spot either, because the Monokuma videos in the future arc are specifically stated to be pre-recorded.
- This moment where Monokuma and Miaya’s screen are linked 4:52 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-2
- How long was Monaca posing as Miaya? She couldn’t have been posing as her very long since Byakuya finds out about the dead body without much issue and never has time to warn anyone. Isn’t it a huge coincidence that Monaca just happened to be present when the killing game started?
- Others in the foundation find Miaya dead 21:05 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-6
- Why would Monaca just give up against the heroes so easily? The level of planning and extreme violence she displayed in ultra despair girls was outright insane even by Danganronpa standards. Given how important Junko was to her, just giving up because Komeda was annoying is ridiculous.
- If Monaca wasn't going to play any kind of major role in the anime at all, why even bother including her. I understand she serves as a potential red herring, but the future side only has like 12 episodes to tell its plot. Not only does she eat up a ton of this screen time despite not adding anything, but an entire episode is dedicated to confronting her.
Mitarai is the Ultimate animator. He can create complex animations that can invoke powerful emotional responses in his target audience via a combination of subliminal images and brain stimulation. He’s supposed to be a class member of the DR2 cast, but he’s so obsessed with his craft that he constantly skips class, to work on his art instead. His love of anime is due to a lifetime of isolating himself after being bullied as a child.
- Mitarai getting bullied is what got him interested in anime 0:19 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Mitarai is shown to be a workaholic 17:17 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
In isolation, Mitarai works fine as a character. His skill set is fun, and his near self destructive tendencies provide an interesting conflict. The problem is he eventually meets the series villain Junko Enoshima, and his role in the plot starts to engulf the entire anime.
Essentially Junko bumps into Mitarai at random one day and decides to take interest in him on an impulse. He shows her his anime and she picks up on the fact it creates emotional responses that aren't normal. When Junko realizes this, she creates a plan to combine his techniques with footage of the student council game to create a video that makes people either love despair or kill themselves.
- Mitarai meets Junko by chance and brings her to see his anime 1:10 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- Junko forces Mitarai to work on despair video 9:05 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-8
- Mitarai made a hope video to give people hope and is spurred to use it because of the killing game 5:46 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
Mitarai has WAAAAAAY too much agency in the plot of the Danganronpa franchise as a whole because of his role in DR3. Almost everything bad that’s ever happened can be traced back to his actions.
Why do the reserve course students follow Junko and kill the main course:Mitarai
Why do the reserve course students kill themselves: Mitarai
Why does Chisa become evil: Mitarai
Why did Tengan become evil: Mitarai
Why were the ultimate despairs evil: Mitarai
Who’s tech makes the final killing game possible: Mitarai
Who does the final conflict center around: Mitarai
This is particularly problematic because he only meets Junko by chance, so this makes all the events that transpire from his work seem like dumb luck. It’s also unnecessary for him to be involved with Junko for as long as he was and incredibly stupid of him to not realize she was dangerous.
Junko was able to utilize DR1s memory-erasing tech developed by Matsuda after he died just based on his notes and her analysis ability. She also created her own version of alter Ego, a human-like AI, just because she knew the ultimate programmer. She reasonably should have been able to copy his animation techniques much more easily than the anime portrayed. Likewise, Junko in DR3 really isn’t that subtle. She legit beats Mukuro with a baseball bat, destroys Mitarai’s anime collection, and rambles on about despair right in front of him. But for some reason, Mitarai’s fine with going to this secluded location in a secret school bunker.
His role as the finale “antagonist” in the series also doesn’t work well because he’s too weak-willed to hold that position and there’s not enough time to explore the ramifications of his ideas. He’s literally talked out of it in a few minutes by a person he barely even knows. It’s an anti-climatic showdown compared to the ends of the main Danganronpa games, where Junko or Monaca pulled out all the stops to win over the heroes.
Now personally I never had much of a problem with her being real. Most of the “human” Ai’s we had seen in the series up to that point were based on somebody from the real world. So the concept of Chiaki being a real person wasn’t unprecedented. I think the biggest problem is that she doesn’t have any character flaws or decent character development in DR3. Chiaki is initially established as this shy and socially awkward girl, who doesn’t have any friends. But this problem of social ineptitude just goes away in the same episode it's introduced. We don’t learn anything about her real-life family, or how she became the ultimate gamer either. Her character is just too “flat”.
In addition to her lack of character flaws, Chiaki also has an issue where too much of the cast's motivations ends up centering around her. Everyone in the DR2 cast loves her to an almost unconditional degree and her being executed by Junko is what brings them into despair. Her relationship with Hajime is outrageously strong despite them meeting by chance and only really playing video games together over a period of 6 months. Her death even drives Izuru to tears, despite his generally emotionless state. It feels artificial and forced.
On a final note, the explanation for why Chiki was in DR2 as an AI is kind of flimsy. Essentially her AI is meant to be modular and changes to form an authority figure based on the mentality of the people placed in the neo world program. Since everyone in the cast wanted to see her again, that’s why she shows up in DR2. But like if the AI was meant to be an authority figure, you can make a good case that it should the form of their teacher Chisa. Not to mention nobody in DR2 is nearly as obsessed with her as they were n DR3.
This modular AI explanation also directly conflicts with the info given about the Ai Chiaki in both DR2 and supplementary material. Chiaki had previously stated her personality came from her father and that she had a brother. This was clearly referencing the ultimate programer Chihiro and the alter ego program he made in DR1. Her name is also a partial anagram for Chihiro’s and her proto design was literally an Expy of him. It probably would have made more sense for Chiaki to just be Chihiro’s cousin or something.
- Chiaki’s proto design https://pm1.narvii.com/6414/d164d38d1a6859e5a0bf682be3bafb782d704f6a_hq.jpg
- Kodoka’s interview on coming up with the idea of Nanami being real https://kamase-megane.tumblr.com/post/153504419222/dr3-spoiler-warning-heres-a-post-kibou-hen
Press X to not die
So near the end of the despair arc, the DR2 cast realizes that Mitarai and Mikan have been missing for a while. Komeada mentions having seen Mikan by chance and finds the entrance to Junko’s secret lair while searching for her with Chiaki. They find out that both Mikan and Mitarai are being held captive by Junko and Komeada pulls a gun on her. Izuru shows up, stops Komeada, and shoots him. At the same time, the DR2 character Peko fights Junko’s sister Mukuro right outside the base and loses. Mitarai flees the base during the confusion and runs into the DR2 cast's teacher Chisa. Chisa goes to rescue her students.
What follows is a series of really stupid decisions
Chisa runs right to Junko’s base without informing any other adults or allies what’s happening. She even has a phone on her with her head of security Juzo actively calling her and just doesn’t notice.
- Mitarai goes to Chisa and tells her Chiaki is in danger. Chisa doesn’t immediately call Munakata, Juzo, or the police 21:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-8
- The students decide to rescue Chisa instead of going to the police. Despite Peko telling them not to 2:26 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-9
- Komeada he wanted his class to go fight Junko 9:55 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-9
- It’s noted in the story that bringing Komeaeda with them when he’s injured won't help 10:30 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-9
- DR2 cast is shown to be alive 10:46 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-kibou-hen-dub-episode-1
- Kodaka mentions the ending was pandering a bit https://kamase-megane.tumblr.com/post/153504419222/dr3-spoiler-warning-heres-a-post-kibou-hen
~Tumblr
At the end of the series, they rebuild Hope's peak academy and Makoto becomes the new headmaster. I don’t like this for a couple reasons.
- Makoto becomes the new headmaster of hopes peak 23:26 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-kibou-hen-dub-episode-1
I could still believe Makoto opening a new school and becoming its headmaster, but his new school should have been heavily delineated from the old one.
My general thoughts on Brainwashing
So brainwashing is one of the most controversial aspects of Danganronpa 3. It’s pretty heavily utilized in both arcs by both the heroes and villains. Specifically, Junko utilizes brainwashing to control most of the reserve course students, uses brainwashing to make the reserve course students commit suicide, and uses brainwashing to turn the DR2 cast into her ultimate despair minions. Then in the future arc brainwashing is used again to make future foundation members kill themselves during the killing game. Mitarai also creates the “hope” brainwashing video, etc, etc.
Anyway, before getting into the specifics I think there’s a lot of misinformation about the subject that needs to be cleared up. So I’m going to step through a few points one at a time.
- It’s stated Mitarai’s videos use subliminal methods, subtle changes in color to influence the visual cortex, ect 2:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- It’s stated the videos cut through a person’s free will 16:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-9
- Mitarai Says the despair video makes you crave despair like Junko 4:36 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- The DR2 cast being brainwashed 15:02 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-10
The answer to this is no. The game does not establish this fact in an ironclad way. It’s possible to interpret some lines as implying it, but it's vague enough that the writers could have gone in any direction.
Most of the information on the Remnants in DR2 comes from Monokuma and Junko. They say outright to both the player and in the handbook that Junko took advantage of DR2 casts weaknesses, grudges, etc to win them over to her side. Given you don’t have a reason to think Monokuma is lying(within the isolation of DR2), most people would probably take that information at face value.
- Various screenshots with Junko saying she manipulated the DR2 cast https://imgur.com/a/XzYhc
Additionally, Mikan gets back her memories as an ultimate despair in case 2-3 and briefly alludes to her time as part of the group before being executed. She heavily implied that her reasons for becoming an despair were due to external mistreatment from the world itself and that she joined Junko out of loyalty or love.
- Mikan explains her connection to Junko in DR2 https://youtu.be/kRUjGAMupDw?t=7428
The main contention generally comes from a statement from Makoto Neigi and a short description of the neo world program. Makoto states at one point during DR2s final trial that the cast bodies in the real world are just brainwashed. Likewise, the neo world program description states that it's good at counteracting brainwashing. These can both be taken as evidence that Monkuma is lying and that the characters were just mind haxed by Junko. This isn’t impossible since Junko has lied before in other games.
However, neither of these two statements are as ironclad as people would have you believe. The term “brainwashing” is often used as a term for psychological exploitation from cults, terrorist organizations,etc when they convert followers to a radical ideology. Given Junko was depicted up to that point as a charismatic and manipulative person, many people wouldn’t interpret the term “brainwashing” as literal.
There’s also the problem that the game itself establishes that Makoto doesn’t actually know why the DR2 cast joined Junko. He says this outright during DR2s final chapter with no hint of vagueness.
Even in the context of DR3, Makoto doesn’t find out about the existence of the brainwashing videos and the fact the 2 cast was subjected to them until Mitarai explicitly tells him near the end of the future arc.
- Mitarai explains his involvement with Junko and how they made the despair video. Makoto has no knowledge of it and this is the first time he’s had the reason the DR2 cast became ultimate despair explained to him 4:10 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
- The idea of a brainwashing anime was also unknown to Munakata 10:23 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-12
Yes
Mind manipulation as a concept has been a major part of the series from the beginning. The first and second game only happen because the characters' memories of previous events are erased, making them act differently than they would otherwise. Ultra Despair Girls has the main villain Monaca place mind control helmets on children across Towa city. Toko mentions mind manipulation tech exists and just isn’t public knowledge yet in Ultra Despair Girls. Finally, Junko herself has her memories erased in DR0, which creates the alternate personality Ryouko personality.
The fact Junko brainwashed at least members of the reserve course was also already established as canon before DR3 came out. Danganronpa 0 outright had major character state Junko was brainwashing them using a video based on the student council killing game.
- Ryouko watching people watching the despair video
- Matsuda and Ryoko state Junko was brainwashing the reserve course
- Matsuda and Ryoko stating brainwashing was used again
- It is stated that the mutual killing video was shown to people in DR0
I would say no.
While technically speaking DR3 HAD to involve some brainwashing elements because DR0 had already established it as part of the cannon. DR3 expands on a lot of the ideas present in 0 in the worst way possible and goes waaaaaaaaay overboard with it.
Danganronpa zero never established how Junko got the brainwashing tech and DR3 answers this question very anti-climactically. Junko just meeting the guy who had the technology by accident and hanging out with him on a hunch is a massive asspull.
Danganronpa Zero also never established how the brainwashing worked and or how powerful it was. Ryoko watched the video without going crazy and most of the “victims'' were already cult-like or had seen it thousands of times. It was never suggested to be so OP it could override a person's entire will on a single view and the suicide video was never explicitly mentioned to exist. Danganronpa 3 didn’t need to make the usage of such videos the cornerstone of the entire plot.
Danganronpa Zero didn’t explicitly establish that brainwashing was used to create the ultimate despair. While it’s certainly possible brainwashing could have theorized to be what happened, most people wouldn’t default to that because it's boring. By removing the DR2s casts agency over their decisions, you remove all moral ambiguity and nuance from the equation. None of them did anything wrong of their own free will so they’re basically absolved of their crimes.
Finally, Danganronpa Zero didn’t dictate that brainwashing had to be the gimmick around the final killing game, make Chisa and Tengan be subjected to it or make the final confrontation in the series be centered around Mitarai using it. Not only does having both antagonists being brainwashed mean neither of them has any actual motivations behind their actions, but by the time the ending came the entire brainwashing concept was heavily overdone.
Overall brainwashing in Danganronpa 3 is a mixed bag, particularly compared to other entries of the series. In the main games “mind manipulation” either didn’t remove a characters' ability to make their own decisions or was never utilized to exert full control over people who had actual plot significance. Because of this the narrative decisions and hurdles of these characters still had weight.
For example in the DR1 Sayaka may have been missing her memories from the last 2 years, but she still chose to attempt to murder Leon. The fact she had to betray Makoto to do so only had an impact because she wasn't forced into doing it. In Ultra Despair Girls Monaca brainwashed the children in order to force Komuru into an ethical dilemma on if she should kill them to stop Towa cities destruction. The whole point is to put pressure on Komaru, not the kids. Brainwashing Komaru herself wouldn’t accomplish anything, because there’s no moral victory if she has no choice.
Making the brainwashing videos so powerful also creates a ton of plot holes for the games. The killing game in DR1 was intended to break the resistance of the people outside of the school. But if Junko just has the despair and suicide videos on hand, she could have just broadcast them at any time to make the people watching despair or kill themselves. She also could have dealt with Kyoko in DR1 by using these videos rather than creating the fake chapter 5 case.
It would have been much smarter to weaken the videos to the point of being more similar to real-world hypnosis and subliminal advertising. In that it only invokes a subconscious emotional response and opens the user up to suggestion, but can’t actually be used to force them to commit actions they don’t want to perform. This would have created a rapport where Junko still had to win people over to her side and drive them to despair on her own(Which to be honest is what a lot of people expected).
I would say no. Most of the evidence in DR2 just doesn’t point to them being brainwashed and most people tend to use Occam's razor when presented with that kind of information. The only people who would argue that it was adequately “foreshadowed” are people who already saw Danganronpa 3 and are looking back with hindsight to try to connect dots that are pretty ambiguous. I can assure you that most fans did not think this way before 2016 and there are tons of fan works or discussions that back up that notion.
- https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/3puv3j/the_remnants_of_despairwhat_happened_to_them/
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IptOfIX0xKE
- https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/50333997
- https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/35134815
The series also already had several plans of this magnitude. Junko gets the entire student council to turn on each other in minutes, causes 1000s of terrorist attacks worldwide at the same time, and manipulates the warriors of hope. Monaca formed an incredibly convoluted plan that brought an entire city to its knees despite being like 10. There’s also the fact characters in other series like the Joker do stuff like this all the time without complaint. A series like Danganronpa should easily be able to get away with it given its outlandish nature.
Anyway, I always imagined Junko’s followers would operate similar to a real-life cult. That she would approach people during times of crises or loneliness and shift their ideologies in more radical directions over time. Or that if a target was too “stable” she would manufacture a crisis to take advantage of them on the rebound.
Most of the reserve course and DR2 cast have tons of reasons to be vulnerable and susceptible to cult recruitment methods like this. Junko herself is even meant to be seen as charismatic, which is the exact kind of personality type that leads these kinds of organizations. So it makes sense to me. Danganronpa Zero even featured the reserve course acting cult-like in a secret society, but Danganronpa 3 never expanded on the idea.
Can you give examples of how they could be exploited?
~Some random political chat
Yeah
Akane comes from an incredibly poor family that constantly has shifting parental figures and consistently had to go without food. Akane herself became a gymnast so she could run away from people easily and has seen tons of dead bodies all around her since childhood. She’s a constant target for perverts and has performed several unsavory jobs in the past because she has tons of half siblings to support. She also has an obsession with strength because she believes that people who are weak are prone to dying. You could probably twist that desire for strength into something sinister, like a Darwinist ideology.
Gundam was implied to be the offspring of two people who were not supposed to be married to each other. Has an extreme distrust of normal people, isolates himself behind an eccentric charade, and finds more solace in animals. Twist his view towards humanity into something malevolent, and he might want to exterminate them.
Ibuki is a talented artist but feels as if nobody likes the music she actually wants to make. She had a massive falling out with her bandmates and is probably struggling with her solo career. Make her dependent on the psychopathic audience who will actually give her the feedback she wants.
Sonia loves her country but feels conflicted about her commitment to serving it her entire life rather than being able to live as a normal girl. Her family has been subjected to terrorism for generations. She’s even been kidnapped before. Twist that love into something more xenophobic and have her lash out against the world in paranoia.
Hiyoko is treated like dirt by her entire family and acts aggressively towards others as a result. The only person she liked was her father who was seemingly forced out of her family, necessitating her to stay with her abusive grandmother instead. It's also heavily implied people perv on her due to her childlike appearance. Encourage her to strike back against her family and embrace her worst traits.
Mahiru allowed herself to be caught up in the events of a school murder and covered for the perpetrator because they’re her best friend. Then said best friend got murdered by one of the members of her class, who also has ties to the yakuza. Stroke the conflict even more and erode away at her sanity.
Teruteru tries to play up his cooking skills, but also comes from a poor background and started out working at a rundown diner run by his family. He has two younger siblings that work as prostitutes despite clearly being underage and he shows concern about their well being. That said he’s also somewhat resentful of his siblings because they make more money than he does. Play his family against each other until they have a falling out.
The ultimate Imposter is an orphan with no name or identity of his own. He’s incredibly lonely and desperately wants somebody to acknowledge his existence rather than only being able to live through other people. Manipulate his need to recognized and make him dependent on the ultimate despair group.
Fuyuhiko is supposed to be the next head of a yakuza family and has suffered a lot his entire life because of it. He’s been kidnapped, seen dead bodies since childhood, and has nearly died from being near the fights of his other family members. He also honestly isn’t ruthless enough of a person for the position he’s supposed to uptake. He hates the killing game in DR2, he doesn’t like drinking, and he has a clear sense of honor. His life has a ton of conflict and this is before his beloved sister gets killed during the twilight syndrome murders. Pressure him to become more ruthless in the wake of his sister's death and take revenge against hopes peak for covering up the murder.
Peko defines her entire life by being useful to Fuyuhiko. To the point where she literally considers herself a tool. She’ll literally just follow Fuyuhiko anywhere.
Kazuchi has an abusive dad who beat him and was betrayed by one of his best friends as a child. He tried to alter his appearance when he got older to redefine himself and is desperately in love with a person who doesn’t care for him. He’s another person who can probably be forced into a co-dependent situation.
Nekumaro has a heart condition that was supposed to kill him before he turned 20 years old. Because of this his entire childhood consisted of hospital visits and being picked on due to his isolation. He only found solace in teaching and building up others. Yeah, he’s the strongest mentally of the cast, but Junko could literally exterminate his favorite teammates and ruin his career/reputation. Then scope him up on the rebound.
The reserve course students are all depressed, feel like second class citizens, and hate those in power. This can have terrible results under normal circumstances, let alone with the student council killing game inflaming them. A charismatic leader coming in to exploit them is something that has many real-world parallels. Even the mass suicide isn’t unprecedented, as similar events have happened in real life. There’s generally just some element of fear or coercion involved for those who “don’t want” to participate, which Junko should be able to have given the weapons provider to her by Monica.
Finally, Mikan is likely the worst character in the cast. It’s implied she’s heavily abused both at school and at home. That she’s been sexually assaulted numerous times and outright tortured on accession. That her self esteem is so low she’ll even allow people to humiliate her for attention and can barely hold a conversation without breaking down. Her entire nursing talent is the result of her tending to her own wounds. She’s also grown to like taking care of sick people because they’re weaker than her and shows notable yandere-ish tendencies when Hajime actually begins to show her affection. Junko could make her co-dependent and drive her to kill very easily, to be honest.
Overall it’s not that hard to have an idea of how this kind of plot would be pulled off, and there are enough blank spaces in every character's background that you can expand on them if necessary.
The anime wasn’t long enough to portray a manipulation plot
Then the despair arch shouldn’t have been 11 episodes long. If the anime didn’t have enough time to actually portray these events properly, then it shouldn't have been attempted.
Major thoughts on characterization
Izuru Kamukura’s characterization
"Boring"
I know some people were disappointed Izuru didn’t kill the entire 13 student council members like Junko stated in DR2, but I understand why they didn’t do that. DR0 already made it clear he wasn’t nearly as bloodthirsty. The book outright shows a ton of the student council killed each other and states Junko wanted to blame the whole event on Izuru despite being the mastermind. That said I feel it would have been fine for Izuru to kill 1-2 students on his own, rather than just killing 1 in self-defense. Since he was looking for stimulation anyway and it's believable he might at least try it to see what killing is like before getting bored of it. Making him be so placid in the killing game kind of makes him feel like less of a villain.
- Junko says Izuru killed the student council members in DR2 https://youtu.be/dsQ2Q_la4HA?t=6509
- Muruko as Junko mentioning the intention to frame Izuru In DR0
- Kamashiro says Junko was the mastermind
- Matsuda disguised as Izuru saying Junko made the council kill each other
- It’s stated Junko wanted to crush Izuru in DR0
- Izuru cries at the sight of Chiaki dying 19:05 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-10
- Izuru plans to erase his memories as well and to form a plan to find out if hope or despair is better 9:20 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-11
- Izuru in Danganronpa 2 chapter 0. Says he wants to use Junko for revenge and that he could predict what gonna happen in DR2 https://youtu.be/RclGi1lcdbg?t=286 and https://youtu.be/RclGi1lcdbg?t=435
- Izuru’s conversation in DR2 chapter 0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RclGi1lcdbg
"The Komaeda I know wouldn't ask to postpone the fucking exams. He'd ask to move it up. He'd steal everyone's notes from their desks and fucking burn them. He'd buy a shitload of alarm clocks and set them up outside the houses of all his classmates and wake them up at 3 in the morning on the day of the exam. Because if they failed their practical exam after all that, then they weren't a worthwhile hope, to begin with."
~Youtube
Komeada’s negative attributes are substantially toned down in this series. In DR2 it's pretty clear that he’s legitimately insane even without Junko Enoshima’s influence. Like he intentionally provokes the first murder of the game and spends most of the trials making things harder for everyone else. He’s antagonistic, elitist when it comes to the nature of talent, has a creepy obsession with the concept of hope, and literally kills himself in one of the most gruesome cases in the series. Even some of the short stories mention the hopes peak staff doesn’t like him. All that combined with his luck and high intelligence tends to make him a huge wild card.
- Komeda is alluded to being a troublemaker in the Makoto short story
His major role in the anime is planning a school bombing and having a short confrontation with Junko.He plans the school bombing so he can move his classes' practical exams back when they’re too upset over the twilight syndrome murders to concentrate. His reasoning is that he wants the class to take the test while they’re at their best. But this desire to prevent the class from taking the test while in a period of weakness conflicts with his normal MO. Komeda typically makes situations harder for people to push them to be greater and makes light of any suffering they go through on the way. He frankly should have made taking the practical exams harder if he was written in character. Anyway he gets suspended for a time due to his role in the bombing, but his luck prevents him from taking complete blame, so he returns later without much issue.
- komeada wants to cancel the exams and conducts a bombing plan to do so 2:29 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-4
- Komeada has a showdown with Junko 18:49 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-8
- komeada after being in a plane crash 5:26 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- Panicking in DR2 https://78.media.tumblr.com/773612b5995738ec0a4dc663c4cc8467/tumblr_nudzfbOdjV1tm73slo5_1280.jpg
“Say the line!”
“Mukuro Ikusaba, the 16th Student, lying hidden somewhere in this school… the one they call the Ultimate Despair, Watch out for her.”
Mukuro is one of my favorite characters in Danganronpa and as a long-time fan, I can confidently say her portrayal in this anime was really bad. Going through some of these issues one by one.
Was Mukuro “in character” in DR3
I’m going to start off by saying that I don’t think Mukuro is some perfect cinnamon roll who never did anything wrong. She’s always been Junko’s right-hand man and even before Danganronpa 3 came out it was clear that she had killed a bunch of innocent people either as a mercenary or while getting Junko’s plans off the ground. Things she does in DR3 like killing a member of the student council, slaughtering middle schoolers(in Killer Killer), torturing Chisa, and just generally allowing Junko to harm those who don’t deserve it is very believable. Heck, she outright had to betray her closest friends for the first game to happen. I think a lot of the fanbase were just shocked because this was the first time we had seen her perform these kinds of acts on screen.
- Mukuro aids in a school massacre
- Mukuro helps Junko with the student council killing game 12:30 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- Mukuro tortures Chisa 12:08 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-9
- It’s stated Mukuro killed the committee board in DR0
- IF says Mukuro killed a bunch of people in Fenrir
Before DR3 came out the major sources of information for Mukuro came from a combination of her free time events/school mode events in DR1, her appearances in Danganronpa 0, and the “what if '' scenario light novel Danganronpa If. There’s also technically the scrapped secret ending in Danganronpa 1 which while never released, is probably still in character.
For example, when Mukuro is disguised as Junko for most of the 1st game, she'll drop her act around the player character Makoto. From her conversations, you learn she has doubts about the direction her life is going in, that she was homeless at one point, that she’s probably dealt with sexual predators, and has been in many high-stress combat situations. The cut secret ending also pretty heavily implies that she didn’t enjoy her life after becoming a mercenary and that she felt inferior compared to Junko growing up.
- The cut ending from DR1 https://danganronpa.fandom.com/wiki/Danganronpa_Another_End
- Mukuro after saving Makoto from the Madari brothers in DR0
- Mukuro showing displeasure in having to fight the Madari brothers in DR0
- Mukuro says Junko is a bad sister in DR0
- IF states Mukuro wanted to protect Junko
- IF states she doubted despair
- Mukuro states she doesn’t care about despair in IF
- Mukuro says she doubted the killing game in IF
- Mukuro is upset Junko tried to kill her in IF
- Mukuro dies in DR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvdtnYiKBug
- Her relationship in IF and here and here
- Mukuro is stated to have a crush on Makoto in IF
- Mukuro saying she’s still somewhat motivated by her sister in IF
- Mukuro says she still wants to make Junko happy
- The Danganronpa artbook implies she hadn’t slept since the killing game started, showing her conflict https://prodigaldaughteralice.tumblr.com/post/95066180297/dr-artbook-translation-character-profiling
- Mukuro calls Makoto a loser and asks if she should kill him 16:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-11
- The interview that mentions this side of her character https://kamase-megane.tumblr.com/post/153504419222/dr3-spoiler-warning-heres-a-post-kibou-hen
Mukuro having this weird obsession with Junko and blushing in ecstasy while thinking about her was something that showed up in DR0. It was never stated to be because of romantic interest(and it wasn’t in DR3 either for that matter), but the subtext was technically there if you looked for it. She also gets excited while fighting her in IF, though this is more due to the adrenaline of a good fight. That said the anime implements this behavior in the worst possible contexts and makes it come off way creepier than it did in DR0.
- Muruko showing this odd obsession in DR0
- Junko is trying to stab Muruko to death and isn’t surprised by it. She’s actually happy its happening and blushes 13:34 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Mukuro reacts positively to being insulted 15:45 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- Mukuro getting off on Junko kicking her 5:20 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-11
- Mukuro says she doesn’t get off on pain in IF
Why are you using Danganronpa If so much for evidence when it isn’t canon?
“Even if you believe Danganronpa IF is nothing but Naekusaba Fanfic trash it was still better written than Danganronpa 3”
~Ultraguy probably
Danganronpa IF existed for years before Danganronpa 3 was made and was one of the only forms of media that delved into Mukuro’s character when not in disguise. It makes sense that people would expect it to serve as the basis of her portrayal in the anime.
Additionally, Danganronpa IF is a “what if'' scenario. It may not be part of the “main'' timeline, but its depictions of events are still supposed to have everyone “in character”. A good comparison would be how the island or school modes in the first two games aren't part of the main timeline, but still contain information about the characters that could be considered canonical. Plus DR0 and the writer's own interviews support Mukuro’s characterization in IF as being accurate.
Additionally, yeah Kodak didn’t write IF, but Kadoka also didn’t write Danganronpa 3 either. Not to mention given the abundance of problems with characterization for characters in 3, it's much more likely that Mukuro was just flanderdized.
I went over it a bit in an earlier section, but Mikan easily has the worst background of the entire DR2 cast. She’s bullied at school, abused at home, probably been sexually assaulted, and generally disregarded by everyone around her. As a result, she’s a barely functioning mess of a person who can barely hold a normal conversation without a tearful breakdown. But this aspect of her character is kind of just ignored in DR3. It’s as if all of this just happens off-screen and nobody says anything about it or tries to help her. It’s bizarre.
And yeah I covered the problems with brainwashing like 4 times already, but Mikan is the worst offender of this in the franchise. She was already desperate for attention and clearly had some unhinged tendencies in DR2. It would have been easy for somebody like Junko to manipulate her and even people who defend the brainwashing plot point will tell Junko probably didn’t need to resort to it to get Mikan on her side. But they still do it anyway, and then give Mikan this unsettling masochistic fanservicey personality as a result. It not fun to watch.
- Mikan giving Junko a massage while brainwashed 00:14 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-8
- Mikan acting creepily sexual 5:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-8
- Mukuro gets off on getting hit by Junko 8:28 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-8
”What? No. Barf.” Junko glared “As if I would even think of having an army that I got just because I showed them a video. That’s not real proof of despair! We need them to truly fall in. After all, what’s more, despairing than a world bought to ruin by good people who became despair itself with just that little push? Can you imagine how lame it would be if they were just mind-controlled drones?
~Archive of our own
I feel like this anime nearly ruined Junko Enoshima as a character. In her prior appearances, we weren't given “that much” information about how she caused the apocalypse. But the information we were given kind of painted a picture of a person who was incredibly intelligent, manipulative, and charismatic. As well as a person who knew how to dig into the roots of human nature to bring out the worst in people. Combined with her flamboyant attitude and appearance, she came off like a mix of Joker, Light Yagami, and Harley Quinn.
But when the anime came out it kind of screwed with the perception of what she was supposed to be and answered a lot of the questions regarding how she destroyed the planet in an unsatisfying way.
Her public “persona” for most of the anime
So Enoshima has this whole stick where she’ll switch between multiple different personalities and generally act like somewhat of a nutjob. You see this most often during the confrontations with her in the final trials of DR1 and DR2. This behavior works fine in the context of those games but it becomes really problematic within the setting of DR3. Junko’s entire plan is to invade Hope's peak from the inside out and bring it crashing down around her. In order to pull this off she would logically need to maintain a public persona that’s “normal”, or else she would draw unneeded suspicion on herself. But she’ll constantly do things that aren't just eccentric, but borderline psychotic.
For example, she'll literally throw grenades onto a busy highway or leave behind pocketbook bombs in cars just for shits and giggles. During one of her hang-out sessions with Mitarai she knocks out her sister Mukuro with a baseball bat right in front of him and destroys most of his anime collection in a manic fit. She even rambles on about despair in front of other people. It’s very hard to take seriously.
- Junko just blows up an entire car with a fake pocketbook 11:54 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Junko and Mukuro basically throw a grenade out the window and it explodes with no repercussions 13:53 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Junko rambling on about how despair is great 16:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
And the weird thing is that we know Junko is capable of maintaining a persona. She pretends to be Monokuma for the entirety of the first and second game. She acts as Shirokuma in Ultra Despair Girls, who’s an outwardly nice and pacifistic character. Heck, it’s a plot point that Mukuro was simply following a script Junko prepared when disguised as her in the first game. So that’s probably how she carries herself when she’s trying to stay on the DL. It’s almost as if the writers thought fans “expected” her to act a certain way because of how she was portrayed in the game's final trials but didn’t think about the implications of her being a nutjob in a vastly different setting.
- Mukuro states her lines were written for her and here in IF
Junko’s plan has a lot of plot holes and skips over a lot of explanations
Junko’s plan in DR3 doesn’t make that much sense when you really think about it that hard. She essentially wants to rile up the reserve course of hope's peak academy into fighting against the main course. To do this she frees Hope's peak’s human experimentation project Izuru and sets up a killing game with the hopes peak Academy student council. After Izuru kills one of the students during this game, she blames him for the entire incident. Then she sends information about the incident to the reserver course to fan them into a frenzy because most of their money supposedly went towards creating him. She then uses brainwashing videos created by Mitari to drive the reserve course into a murderous rage. She also kidnaps and brainwashes Mikan when she comes to check up on Mitari, along with the rest of her class and their teacher Chisa. Finally, she executes Chiaki while brainwashing the DR2 cast. She’s shown to have a ton of secret bunkers and massive underground lairs, part of which even connects to the trial grounds from the first game.
So breaking this down
- A lot of Junko’s plan hinges on the brainwashing tech created by Mitarai, but Junko doesn’t meet Mitari intentionally. She just bumped into him by coincidence and hung out with him on an impulse. What exactly was her plan if she hadn’t met him? She mentions multiple times that she was planning to cause the tragedy even before she entered Hope's peak, so she must have had something in mind.
- Junko talks about ending the world despite not really having a plan in store 20:20 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Junko meets Mitarai by accident 21:49 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- Why does Junko just have access to massive underground complexes and secret bunkers? Were they part of the location Izuru was held? Did she somehow have them built without anyone noticing? How in the world did she build Chiaki’s execution room? That had to be specifically designed from scratch.
- 3 students note its odd for junko to have a secret base under that statue of the hopes peak founder 20:15 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-9
- Junko’s operating in an entire underground complex 0:13 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-10
- Junko’s underground complex has an elevator and complex execution ring. It’s also connected to the trial location from the first game 9:23,10:47 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-10
- How did she find out Izuru existed and break into his holding facility so easily? Izuru also knocks Junko out when they first meet, but Mukuro gets both of them away and somehow cleans up most of the evidence before security arrives. They also go back to the same facility a second time despite security supposedly being beefed up after the first break-in.
- Junko knows about Izuru and where he was being held. Along with the fact she needed a trustee's eyeball to open his holding cell. 12:15 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- Mukuro kills a bunch of guards and Junko just tells her to make it look like they committed suicide. Even though a lot of them have huge slashes across their bodies 12:25 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- Mukuro somehow gets them out of the Izuru’s room without getting caught 20:09 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- Junko gets back into kamukura’s cell despite security going up 11:04 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- What exactly was Junko planning to do when meeting Izuru for the first time? She initially tries to kill him, but instantly loses the fight. She only gets him to back off by getting him interested in ultimate despair. Was she expecting him to take the bait so easily despite having never met him?
- Junko tries to kill Izuru and losses, then apparently just knows she can bait him with the promise of despair 13:42, 18:32 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- How was Junko planning to lure the 2 cast and Chiaki in the right locations for their brainwashing/execution? Komeada and Chiaki only find out about her secret base because Komeada got lucky. The other students only come to the base after Chisa gets trapped there from saving Chiaki.
- When and how did Junko get all the blackmail on the student council.
- Junko gets tons of info on the student council off screen. Also gets all of them together in a single building late at night 13:10 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- It’s mentioned that on the same day hope peak falls 1000s of terrorist attacks happen across the world at the same time. It's implied to be because of Junko, but they never explain how she set that up. How many people does she have working for her?
- It’s stated there’s been simultaneous terrorist attacks worldwide 11:28 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-11
- Where’s Monaca? It’s a huge plot point that Junko contacted her to get resources around the time the tragedy started in Ultra Despair Girls.
- Junko kidnapping a hopes peak trustee in the anime 9:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- It being stated Junko got the info out of committee members in DR0
A lack of meaningful confrontation
Pretty much nobody stands in Junko’s way when she performs any of her plans. Juzo and Chisa only really catch onto her when her plan is near its final stages, and both get nailed before they can do anything due to making stupid decisions. Munakata suspects her but never acts on it due to Juzo and Chisa misleading him. The security for Hope's peak is so incompetent they can't catch the twin at all, despite tons of murders and disappearances. Finally, Kyoko is nowhere to be found and Komeada never has a confrontation with Junko until nearly the last episode of the despair arc.- It is stated 20 hopes peak staff members are missing 7:24 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- Munakata says Chisa was investigating hopes peak and all evidence pointed to Junko 17:28 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-11
- Munakata believed Junko was behind the murders 11:20 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-9
In contrast, Junko’s lack of competent opponents and apparent dumb luck doesn’t give you the same rush. Junko comes off as less like a criminal mastermind and more like a dumbass who stumbles through everything by chance.
And like the weird thing is again DR0 showed some elements of a conflict that could have been expanded on. Kyoko did try to investigate some of the events of hope's peak, though her father largely tried to prevent her from getting involved for her own safety. The entire plot of DR0 is essentially an incredibly convoluted amnesia gambit, where Junko erased her own memories to hide under a false identity to avoid being captured for her role in the student council killing game. Chisa, Juzo, or Komeada also could have confronted her earlier on and put more pressure on her to think outside of the box.
Junko’s general MO compared to DR3
I touched on this a lot already, but Junko just “brainwashing” so many people into servitude is a bit of a letdown. Particularly when they’re named characters, with more distinct backgrounds. Not only does it make her look like a weaker villain since she can’t get almost anyone to work for her willingly, but it doesn’t live up to the expectations of how she had been portrayed up to that point. IE a character who uses charisma and exploits weaknesses in people or society as a whole to topple things over. The constant explanation that “she was just lying” to ret-con previous appearances is also really really lazy.
While Junko had occasionally lied in the main games, she generally played most of her motives straight and adhered to her rules 90% of the time. Even in situations where giving her opponents a fair chance could lead to her own death. This was because if the characters don’t “break” of their own free will, then she hasn’t really proven to anyone that her ideology of despair is actually correct. It’s why when she does get caught cheating during the 5th trial of the first game, Kyoko is able to force her to do a re-trial. Kyoko understands Makoto being proven innocent meant she wasn’t upholding her ideals and would make her message of despair meaningless to the people watching. If Junko didn’t care about her message she could honestly “win” by killing the entire cast at any time, particularly in the first game. She has almost absolute power in both of her appearances.
By removing the agency of almost all of her followers and main subordinates with brainwashing, it makes her ideology come off as unsubstantiated. Despair and chaos aren't things humanity is naturally predisposed to, you just need to watch an anime video. It’s particularly annoying since cultist figures like Junko do exist in real life and her concept can certainly work if written well.
Heck DR0 seemed like it was setting up an idea of Junko starting a cult-like collection of people. Because the reserve course students watching her despair videos were depicted as part of a secret society. But that plot point is basically ignored here.
Misc thoughts on other Characterization
“Hope
No
Hope
Ok”
~Ultraguy
Makoto is pretty ok as the lead in the future arc. He’s always been somewhat of a vanilla protagonist but given the eccentric setting of the Danganronpa series that was intentional. I think his biggest weakness here is probably his lack of agency in the plot. The fact the cast was originally gathered for his trial regarding saving the ultimate despairs isn’t dwelled on too much, outside of throwing suspicion on Makoto early on. Most of the mystery about the killing game is solved by Kyoko. Then Mitarai is talked down by Hajime when he goes crazy. Makoto honestly just spends most of the game being protected by his friends and been lugged around due to his forbidden action.
He does have an interesting conflict with Munakata, but it doesn’t exactly go anywhere. Munukata has a very blunt and occasionally cynical“I do what I have to do” attitude. While Makoto has a more optimistic “I believe in everyone even when I shouldn’t” attitude. The narrative initially tries to portray both of them as having approaches that are “imperfect” and that they need to meet in the middle. But the anime makes that comparison go off the rails because Munakata acts like a psychotic nutjob for most of the killing game, and all of Makoto’s fairly morally grey choices end up having no downsides. In particular, saving the ultimate despairs is retroactively shown to be the right thing to do since they were just brainwashed. Makoto also has a moment where he talks Munakata down from a psychotic rage by bonding with him over the fact Kyoko“died”. But that becomes Kind of mute since Kyoko survives anyway.
- Makoto has an ideological fight with Munakata over the usage of force and lethal intent 6:20 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-6
- Makoto talks Munakata out of his rage by relating to him over the death of his girlfriend Chisa 19:24 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-10
Corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two photos
~Ultraguy
As previously mentioned a lot of the dynamic he has with Makoto isn’t super well fleshed out, because he spends most of the game acting like a paranoid nutjob. His girlfriend Chisa is the first victim of the game and he has immediate concerns that Makoto is a traitor due to his role in saving the ultimate despair. He tells Makoto to kill himself to prove his innocence, and he spends most of the game trying to kill him himself when he doesn't. Eventually, his paranoia unhinges him to the point where he turns on pretty much everyone and even mortally wounds his best friend Juzo. He’s ultimately talked down by Makoto and goes off to become a ronin at the end of the series. Overall he’s kind of interesting, but hard to take seriously since the anime only portrays him acting like an extremist.
- It’s shown she died before the events of the anime 21:05 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-6
- Bandai dies 9:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-2
Toko and Komaru are the protags of the despair girls spin-off. They’re mostly just in the anime to help tie up plot threads from that game and don’t really have much of a role other than confronting Monaca(who gives up without a fight anyway). Through their interactions with each other are fun at least.
- One of the members calling Monica a traitor and an asshole in Despair girls https://youtu.be/rccXETkEqp4?t=308
- Byakuya shows great concern for his classmates and wants them to stay alive 10:10 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-8
- Koichi is shown to be a confidant of jin 5:37 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Koichi sacrifice his life to save Kyoko 13:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-8
To be frank, letting Junko get away with killing so many people just because he didn’t want to come out of the closet was pretty ridiculous. Not to mention he lets the entire cast of DR1 live with her in the Hopes peak for a year, despite knowing how dangerous she was at that point. Given he could have averted the entire series just by having common sense, it's kind of hard to forgive him.
- Junko blackmails him 2:53 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-10
Their relationship came to a head when Ruruka coerced her into giving her an energizing drug but ended up getting a laxative by mistake. She then used these drugs during a major Hope's Peak cooking showcase and got in trouble for it. Both girls also ended up getting blamed for Komeada’s school bombing due to a misunderstanding and were expelled. Because of this pre-existing tension, the two spend most of the killing game fighting each other..
Ruruka holding a grudge against Seiko for not eating her sweets also really stupid. Seiko explains to her several times that she takes medication that can’t be mixed with high amounts of sugar and that she could die if she did. So Ruruka doesn’t have a legitimate reason to be angry about it.
Ruruka is also pretty antagonistic to other members of the cast. She tries to kill Kyoko and her allies at one point. She kills her own boyfriend in cold blood due to paranoia of him possibly betraying her. She’s stated to be trying to build a splinter faction of the future foundation and actively wants the others to kill Munakata so she can take control of the organization.
She's overall just a terrible person and not in a fun way. She also dies around the time she seems to be epiphany about her behavior, so the plot never gets to do anything with her anyway.
- Seiko states she can’t have sugar 1:41 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-5
- Ruruka takes advantage of Seiko her whole life 8:32 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-5
- Ruruka says she was angry at Seiko because wouldn’t eat her sweats 9:00 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-5
- Izayoi dying 15:20 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-mirai-hen-dub-episode-9
The only thing I’m kind of confused about is he’s still using the Bakugya disguise when he first meets Mitarai, but doesn’t explain why. But that’s not super important I guess.
- The Imposter is friends with animator10:48 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Apparently, the imposter disguised himself as Togami at the start of his school year and met Mitarai 17:17 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Says he has no family 17:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
~Ultraguy
Why Hajime is obsessed with talent and Hope's Peak isn’t well established. He seemingly doesn't deal with any social pressure for being normal before he comes to school and you aren't given flashbacks to his childhood or anything. His status as "normal" is also undercut somewhat by him forming a surprisingly large amount of relationships with important characters at Hope's Peak. Some like Tengan or Natsumi are justified since Tengan talks to him about the Izuru project and Natsumi has retconned into the reserve course herself. But he meets Chiaki basically by accident and later establishes a relationship with her teacher Chisa the same way.
The anime also presents wanting to impress Chiaki and having a physical altercation with Juzo as the tipping point that makes him decide to go through with the Izuru project. But it comes off as a bit shallow, because pretty much everyone in the cast who talks to him either says not to do it or that they don’t care if he's talented (including Chiaki herself).
- Hajime meets Chiaki for the first time 16:37 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-1
- Chisa talks to Hajime 8:40 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-2
- Tengen tells Hajime he shouldn’t go through with the Izuru project 9:56 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-2
- Chiaki tells him talent doesn’t matter 18:57 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-1
- Hajime gets a beat down from Juzo 16:25 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-3
Overall she’s ok. Pre-brainwashing she’s honestly just a loving teacher without any notable flaws or character growth. She almost gets an interesting conflict where she gets transferred to the reserve course for 6 months due to Nagito’s role in the school bombing, but the story doesn’t do anything with that plot point. This is disappointing since being a teacher for both the main and reserve course could have given Chisa an interesting perspective on the conflict between the two.
Post-brainwashing Chisa’s role also is pretty unexplored and negligible. Obviously being brainwashed means she doesn't have any real motives behind her actions and she dies before anyone can confront her anyway. So it ultimately doesn't matter much outside her death making Munakata go off the deep end.
- Chisa working with Munukata to investigate the reserve course 6:30 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-2
- Chisa gets transferred to the reserve course 19:50 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-4
- Chisa’s time in the reserve course is skipped over 2:54 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Chisa is shown to be researching Izuru 4:40 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
Misc opinions
- The games make a big deal about Murkuro having run away to join the military, but she came back almost immediately with no resistance just at Junko’s request in DR3 14:22 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Apparently, the imposter disguised himself as Bakugya at the start of his school year, but they don’t explain why 17:17 and 18:17 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Izuru knows who Junko is and that her real talent was the ultimate analysis even though they never met 17:16 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- Komeada had not originally met Izuru in DR2 but does so in this anime. They handwave this with brainwashing tech, but it comes off as lazy.
- Hagukura gets shot at while outside the future foundation by some people in a helicopter. Who were in the helicopter
- If Nekomaru can shit himself with enough power to knock down a school wall and half a forest why wasn’t Sakura strong enough to bust out of the school in DR1?
- Kyoko and Byakuya also aided Makoto in saving the remnants in DR2. They should have been on trial too.
- Chisa heard of the Izuru project 4:08 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-5
- Munukata finds out about Izuru 14:15 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-6
- Juzo knew about Izuru 7:40 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-7
- A video of the first killing game and info about hopes peaks experiment was sent out to the reserve course 3:17 https://gogoanime.so/danganronpa-3-the-end-of-kibougamine-gakuen-zetsubou-hen-dub-episode-8
I’m gonna be honest I think a lot of the problems with DR3 stem from the fact Danganronpa 0 was never formally localized in English or skipped over in this anime adaption. There’s a lot of stuff in that Light novel that was relevant to 3, including the brainwashing of the reserve course, the role of the steering committee, several explanations for Junko's plans, and why Kyoko never finished investigating the school. The fact that most English fans don't know about these plot points probably contributed to some of the backlash.
It's like if the Lord of the Rings trilogy took place in an office complex
- It’s never revealed if Makoto’s parents were alive or not.
- It’s never explained if the kids in Towa city were saved or not
- The fates of the Ultra Despair Girls extended cast and hostages is never revealed
- The director of the 13th branch of the future foundation was never revealed
- Why the neo world program was created is never explain
- Wouldn’t the future foundation be crippled for life after having almost all of its main members killed?
- Was it ever explained to Kyoko how warped her perspective of her father was, due to her asshole of a grandfather?
Honestly, my guess is that a lot of the world-building aspects regarding the tragedy only been thought about in broad strokes, which is why the attempt to explain it was so messy.
- This interview https://kamase-megane.tumblr.com/post/153504419222/dr3-spoiler-warning-heres-a-post-kibou-hen
Backdown: The Backdownening: The Game
~Reset era
They aren't shown doing anything bad as ultimate despairs and becoming ultimate despairs was due to brainwashing. Most of the twilight syndrome murder case was changed to remove accountability from the DR2 cast. The DR2 cast as a whole doesn’t have long-lasting tension due to the syndrome murders either. Komeada’s insanity is toned down and Izuru isn’t as Darwinistic. The fucked up parts of various characters' backstories aren’t acknowledged. Everyone lives and nobody is disfigured upon being revived. Finally, the implications of them killing their own families and being hated by the world isn’t explored. I even think Kodoka mentioned he didn’t want people to think characters like mikan were too villainous.
- Kodaka mentions not wanting Mikan to be in a villain role https://jinjojess.tumblr.com/post/152589830553/zetsubou-hen-profiles-iii-mitarai-and-friends-so
Like again it feels like pandering. It’s like a fanfic that’s specifically intended to just be a happy romp, but doesn’t work as an official property because it clashes with the tone of the series.
Summary
Yeah, I’m gonna be honest I don’t think Danganronpa 3 is very good. It has tons of plot holes, bad characterization, bad pacing, and misses a ton of narrative opportunities for no reason. Even people who will argue I’m wrong about one or two of my complaints will probably agree that a large majority of my issues are fairly reasonable.
And I think a lot of the reasons for this are pretty apparent. The series just bites off way more than it can chew and suffers because it can’t cram so many storylines into the time allocated. The lack of direct writing from Kodaka and the excessive need to pander to the fans also contributes to its faults. They honestly should have just focused on one storyline or heck just made an anime adaption of Zero.
I will also say that obviously hype or destroyed headcanons can make backlash worse. But I don’t think people who argue DR3 gets a bad rap just because it didn’t up to those things have a solid argument. Expecting writing and characterization to be in line with previous entries of a series is fairly reasonable. Likewise, I consider “headcanon” to be things along the lines of “Chiaki’s favorite game is splatoon” or “Komeada likes blueberry waffles”. Something like many people coming to similar conclusions on how the Ultimate Despairs were formed, based on the given information in the game, only for the anime to do something completely different. Likely just means the writing was just rushed, poorly thought out or was written in a way that got the point across well.
But that’s just me. I’ve probably spent way too much time talking about this
Yo where the hulk vs broly Qna?
ReplyDeleteDont want to he rude... but yeah where is the q n a
ReplyDeleteit seems like you really like the danganronpa series, anyway good read
ReplyDelete- "Mukuro even suggests killing Makoto and calls him a loser in the last episode of despair"
ReplyDeleteAaaaactually, in the original japanese version, Mukuro said
「ただの落ちこぼれじゃないの?」
"Isn't he just an underachiever?" (as a question)
And Mukuro wasn't suggesting, she was actually nervously asking:
「殺すの...?」
"A-Are you gonna kill him?"